Originally Posted by Cherie
I, too, would like to know what could not be accomplished without the treat and just how they were used.
I have never had a problem getting ANY horse to back up or move over. I have never had to get 'rough' on them and I never had to use treats. So I wonder if it is just being used to replace 'effective training' by someone that does not know how to effectively use 'pressure and release'.
If you are consistent, pressure can be the pointing or mere touch of a finger or even a soft 'smooch' and 'release' is the only reward a horse needs.
Except, as mentioned, getting a horse more 'people - friendly', I have not found much that treats work better for than consistent release of pressure. Usually, the timing is too late for the horse to even make the correct connection between the act and the reward when I have watched others use treats.
The other exception may be 'tricks' which have not really interested me much. But, I have also watched trick trainers try to get horses switched to a reward other than a treat as even they start getting pushy and start demanding treats before they go to another trick or action. The treat becomes their focus.
I would like to know more about why 'traditional pressure and release' did not work and just how treats worked.
Traditional pressure and release did work.I found my horses to be more engaged and willing with treat training..That is my own personal experience.I would also like to point out [again] that treat training has been used by the Spanish riding school for over 440 yrs.So with their horses trained in haute ecole,they must be doing something right.I am not saying anything against traditional training methods.But 440 yrs is pretty traditional as well.