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post #1 of 20 Old 01-17-2011, 10:14 PM Thread Starter
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Trick training a treat moocher.

Playing around in the barn last week, I quickly taught my gelding to play fetch. He really enjoyed finding the answers to what I wanted him to do...I am sure because of the treats he was getting...which is what my problem is!

He is a big treat mooch! How can I reward him with a treat, while avoiding the annoying behaviors that come along with it such as getting nosy looking for the treats, taking them quickly, lipping my hands?

Eventually, I would like for him to associate getting the correct response with a word/extra good scratch/clicker or something....but in the meantime he is kind of annoying!
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post #2 of 20 Old 01-17-2011, 10:25 PM
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Take flat tubberware dish and when he does what you want put it in the tubberware dish.... lol That's a hard one. I just bat my mares nose away until she gets it.

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Great! I knew there had to be an easy way....just for the life of me, couldn't find an answer on my own! He may be smarter than me!
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I know the feeling. I'm trying to teach my horse to touch the end of the whip with her nose. So that I can go on to teach her other things like rear and chase me. But she gets frustrated and diverts back to the first tricks I taught her to try to get the treat. Lol

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that's an easy one to fix! :)
Put something a little strange like a small piece of a ripped bag, cloth, ribbin, etc. (first be sure your horse isn't scared of it) and tie it to the end of the whip/stick. Horses are naturally curious and will go to sniff and check it out and click/reward the second they do. Eventually they pick up "oh if I touch this with my nose I get a treat". Then all you have to do is add a vocal command. This is how I trained my mare to target. I had a stick that came with a flag that you can also take off so it worked perfectly!
Hope that helps!

Here are a few pics of my mare and I working on a couple of tricks :) Sorry for the quality. They are actually video stills.


First day working on the rear. She picked it up fast :) Had to come up with my own "unique" way of training this to her as every other method I found just wasn't working for her.


Day 2 working on the rear :)
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Playing around in the barn last week, I quickly taught my gelding to play fetch. He really enjoyed finding the answers to what I wanted him to do...I am sure because of the treats he was getting...which is what my problem is!

He is a big treat mooch! How can I reward him with a treat, while avoiding the annoying behaviors that come along with it such as getting nosy looking for the treats, taking them quickly, lipping my hands?

Eventually, I would like for him to associate getting the correct response with a word/extra good scratch/clicker or something....but in the meantime he is kind of annoying!
The first thing you need to do is teach your horse the rules for getting and accepting a treat......you need to set some boundarys on when you will give him the treat......ie if he is nosing you then ......no he does not get the treat......he only gets it when you are ready to give and that is when he is standing quietly.........you can set what ever boundarys you want......you decide how polite you want him to be..........I have a pushy opiniated mare but she is extremely polite with treats because she has been taught to be.......it was the very first thing I taught her as I needed away to give positive reenforcement for good behavoir in order to get rid of bad behavoir.

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I know the feeling. I'm trying to teach my horse to touch the end of the whip with her nose. So that I can go on to teach her other things like rear and chase me. But she gets frustrated and diverts back to the first tricks I taught her to try to get the treat. Lol
Then as my trainer would say reward more for less.....until you have the horse trying harder and thinking that you actually want something different....maybe restructure how you ask or reward sooner....reward for effort....even if it is wrong....as he is trying to figure out what you want.....by rewarding an effort even it is wrong you have told him it is something new you want him to try and he will try harder to find it.

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Then as my trainer would say reward more for less.....until you have the horse trying harder and thinking that you actually want something different....maybe restructure how you ask or reward sooner....reward for effort....even if it is wrong....as he is trying to figure out what you want.....by rewarding an effort even it is wrong you have told him it is something new you want him to try and he will try harder to find it.

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I'm sorry I have to disagree there. Yes you do want to reward them trying and for effort, but not if its wrong. For example if I am asking my mare to give me a kiss and she decides to offer the trick pawing not knowing what I am asking I would NOT reward this as it is not something I am asking her to do. If I rewarded her for doing something I am not asking for or giving the que for I am just rewarding her for doing the wrong thing...also the wrong thing that is not being asked. That is just asking for it to become a habit.
However, if I am asking my mare for a kiss (and if she was just learning this) I would reward any forward motion of her head/neck, her nose touching my face, etc and reward her as she starts to offer more and put the two together. So yes you do want to reward for trying, but you want them to be able to figure out what is being asked of them which they can't do if you are rewarding them for the wrong behaviour.
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Thats an easy one to fix! :)
Put something a little strange like a small piece of a ripped bag, cloth, ribbin, etc. (first be sure your horse isn't scared of it) and tie it to the end of the whip/stick. Horses are naturally curious and will go to sniff and check it out and click/reward the second they do. Eventually they pick up "oh if I touch this with my nose I get a treat". Then all you have to do is add a vocal command. This is how I trained my mare to target. I had a stick that came with a flag that you can also take off so it worked perfectly!
Hope that helps!

Here are a few pics of my mare and I working on a couple of tricks :) Sorry for the quality. They are actually video stills.


First day working on the rear. She picked it up fast :) Had to come up with my own "unique" way of training this to her as every other method I found just wasn't working for her.


Day 2 working on the rear :)


What was your unique method of teaching your mare how to rear?
I'm curious...


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What was your unique method of teaching your mare how to rear?
I'm curious...
It was exactly "unique" that's why I put the "" but I didn't pull on my horse's face with a bit in her mouth until she reared to escape the pain like I have seen so many people do. I did a combination of tricks such as the pawing and targeting and then some minimal steps in between (like rewarding her for putting her head up and raising her chest even just a small amount etc) until she eventually offered a little jump. Big rewards for that! Then after a few of those hops she offered a full rear within minutes. She was taught from the ground with no pressure, no ropes or the likes. Just combining other tricks and rewarding at the right time.
As you can see in the photo from where I am on the ground and she is rearing she is only wearing her halter and that's just because I forgot to take it off. It wasn't used in any way. That was her first day of actually putting the tricks together and learning the rear. The one with me on her back is her second day doing the rear and again the halter (and this time lead rope) were not actually used for the trick, but just to position her for the camcorder lol.
Me raising the stick is the actual que from the ground. From her back me raising the stick and nudging her a few times is the que...for now...until I think of a better one :)
I had never been on a rearing horse before that day and I still can't believe how easy it is to sit...well her rear at least XD

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