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post #1 of 17 Old 04-14-2010, 03:30 AM Thread Starter
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I have a 10 month old, new forest filly that i have taught to walk and stand. But now i have come to a halt with her training because i dont know how to get her to trot. Im not to keen on using a whip but if i have to then i will. All i need really is a little advice on how to get started, then i should be ok. Thank you, for your help..
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post #2 of 17 Old 04-14-2010, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sophie123 View Post
I have a 10 month old, new forest filly that i have taught to walk and stand. But now i have come to a halt with her training because i dont know how to get her to trot. Im not to keen on using a whip but if i have to then i will. All i need really is a little advice on how to get started, then i should be ok. Thank you, for your help..
You're talking about trotting and leading her---right??
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You work too much with a baby, you have to watch that you don't turn her into a spoiled bratt?? Babies should grow up first, not be over handled and when they are finally broken they are then taught manners.
I will not take a family pet to break. I find them too hard.
Something that has been handled very little, grown up half wild and then suddenly finds themselves handled by a competent handler come along quicker, more respectfull of their handlers.
The worst cases of spoiled older horses I know of started off with people that handled them too much, too early and tried to be friends.
A good relationship between a horse and ride is not a friendship but more a dictorship with the human calling all the shots and the horse having no say.

And before you jump all over me I am the one going to work each day paying his board. I am the one cleaning up his poop, his stall. I am the one brushing him, making him comfortable, feeding him, paying all his bills, making sure he has a good life. The least he can do in the few hours a day I spend with him is listen to what I want, do what I want, come when I call.

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If you're leading (which with a 10 month old, you would be ), I would start walking her forward fairly briskly, and to trot, start "bouncing" a little higher in your stride, use a verbal cue (whether the word trot or a clicking tongue, it' up to you), and if she doesn't step up back up the cues with a tap from a dressage whip or lunge whip. If you're uncomfortable managing the whip yourself, maybe find a friend to hold the whip for you and follow, creating pressure from behind and driving her into trot.

As far as overhandling youngsters, IMHO it isn't so much overhandling as incorrectly handling them. Teaching them to rear on cue, or "play chase", or to nose through pockets for food isn't good, and can become really un-fun when baby gains 1,000 pounds. However, youngsters often do need to be handled (whether to be vetted, teeth maintained, trailered, even shown), and life is generally easier if the youngster knows how to lead, pick up his feet, halter, whatever, sanely and respectfully. Horses are born full faculty learners, and can learn manners and respect as weanlings/yearlings the same as they can as 4 year old. The difference is in the attention span and physical ability; you don't want to blow the baby's mind, or tucker it out. That's my idea of overworking. Just my 2 cents on the issue.

I'd rather deal with something between Rios' half-wild studs and the nippy family pet, personally. A youngster who has been taught what he needs to know to be a good citizen until he can be introduced to his adult job. The main reason for that preference is inexperience in breaking/riding broncs, and a general dislike of being nibbled to death.

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You'll have to urge her. With my current filly Rain, she's the laziest horse known to man....Not surprising, considering Jester's her sire, but whatever. She's about a yearling now and I have to majorly get on her case to get her to trot. When I'm lunging, I literally have to crack the whip right on her heels to her her to move, and if I want to trot I have to get aggressive with her. I'm not mean to her, but she needs someone to be assertive and tell her that she needs to pick up her feet. Every foal out of Jester is this way and I have to deal with it. If I'm leading, I have to pop on the halter to get her to pick up and trot and run ahead.

And Riosdad, I can see where you're coming from but I would like to offer a counter to that for the OP's sake:

I believe a relationship with the horse is 49% Horse, 51% Rider. You should have that extra force to have the herd leader aspect but you shouldn't be a dictator. The horse does so much for you, and even though you are cleaning his stall, brushing him, feeding him and blah blah blah, I find that I'm blessed to have the ability to do that. I thank the horse for giving me that opportunity. Every thing I do for the horse not only makes him happy, but it makes me happy too because I enjoy caring for him with every fiber of my being. If I had a choice, I would spend the majority of my time cleaning stalls and combing mud out of a fuzzy winter coat.

I'm not jumping on you, I just have a differ in opinion. I personally think that if you have to be bitter about cleaning stalls and doing barn chores to justify your "Dictatorship" then you need to wake up and smell the alfalfa. There are so many people that would kill to be in your position.

And I also find that every foal I handle from the beginning. I don't spoil them by any means, but I make sure they are comfortable with me and they have all turned out to be wonderful, calm, responsive and respectful horses. If you wait until they're older that's just more time for them to not learn you're the herd leader. When they get bigger they can push you over just as easy as any other large animal. You need to teach them when they are smaller than you so that when they are bigger they know to respect you because they don't know any differant.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.

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Originally Posted by SorrelHorse View Post
I'm not jumping on you, I just have a differ in opinion. I personally think that if you have to be bitter about cleaning stalls and doing barn chores to justify your "Dictatorship" then you need to wake up and smell the alfalfa. There are so many people that would kill to be in your position.

Bitter?? I have full board, I have money. I don't have to touch a fork again if I choose. I choose to clean stalls. I will not let anyone clean my stall, select my horses hay , grain him or water him. I even pick the pasture hay, feed it myself, clean the water trough, and again I have full board and can afford anything in life.
I choose to clean, to spend the hours with him.
Each and every day I spend at least 1 full hour with him..Now that spring has sprung I hand graze him an hour each evening just to spend time with him. I too love my time with a horse. Saturdays and sundays I spend about 5 hours per day and love every minute of it.
I am retiring next summer and intend to spend every day with him. Keeps me out of trouble.
But back to the dictatorship. I am the boss, the supreme being. He knows it, listens to everything I say, comes even before he is called. Like a faithfull puppy he follows at my heals.
Through a half century of working horses, having a working companion I have worked out what works best. What makes the best bond and that is why I do things my way, pick the candidates I choose because is flat out works.
Being in boarding stables give you a large cross section of people, people you watch every day dealling with thier horses and there are very very few that even begin to get a passing grade, most fail miserably.
I have never failed to have the best horse in any barn, never rode with one that had a better trained animal and that is 50 plus years of riding, hanging around boarding barns.
My wife as mentioned a few times to buy our own place but I want the interaction of other people, other horses. I don't want to own my own place in the country.

I also have to say that over the last 30 years or so nearly everyone that started in horses is now out of them?? Why??
I ride up to 8 times a week?? I know there is only 7 days but I ride alot, love it?? Again why is this???
I will pick any fight with any horse and win. The horses know that and because of that they respect me, what I can do and I don't make shy horses.
I also work equally well with abused, frightened horses?? Again Why??

Again I don't like spoiled barn yard pets, ones that have no respect. the best way to teach respect is have the horse try, have him kick you, have him bite you and respond accordingly. I never carry a whip or beat a horse but I gain respect.
As one famous trainer put it. A family pet, one that has been handled to much is too resistive.
I pick the unbroken stud colts for a reason. They come along the quickest, haven't been spoiled by all the handling and their minds are ready for learning as well as their bodies.
Respect is something they need to test, need to fail and re establish in their own minds that I am invincible.

My guy got to kick me twice in as many days and has never kicked again. And remembet I don't pick a weapon and hit him. It is me and him only. No stud chain either.
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I agree with Riosdad. Let your horse grow up, then mess with him. I have had too many horses brought to me to train that people had spoiled with treats and constant handling from birth. I would much rather have a horse that is a little afraid of me than one that has no fear what so ever. I can get a horse that is afraid to accept me and give me enough space and respect much easier than I can gain the respect of a pushy family pet. Get your horse used to having his feet handled and loading in a trailer and leave him alone untill he is at least two. Don't be saddling him untill he is ready to be ridden either. In my experiense a horse that is too comfortable under saddle is more apt to blow up and buck than one that isn't as confident under the saddle.

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When I taught my filly to trot in hand, I used a dressage whip that I carried in my left hand, I led with my right, and when I wanted to trot, I just said, "Trot!" and started trotting. If she didn't keep up, I tapped her flanks with the dressage whip. The result is she keeps pace with me. If I start trotting, so does she. If I run, she trots faster. If I slow down, she slows down. If I stop, she stops [most of the time, lol].

As far as handling youngsters. You have to handle them. They need shots, their feet done, their teeth looked at, to be de-wormed. All of this requires you be able to halter and lead them [safely!] around. They need to stand patiently, they mustn't run you over, and they must be respectful. I agree with Scoutrider. It isn't overhandling so much as handling them incorrectly. I work my 21 month old two or three times a week, for maybe about 10 to 15 minutes each time. That doesn't include the grooming. She loads like a dream, she accepts a surcingle, a bit and bridle, she lunges, she ground-drives, she ponies, and I even taught her to bow. Teaching a baby should be done case by case basis. Some learn quicker than others, and some don't need as much work as others. Some [like mine] get destructive if left "half-wild." Just something to think about. =]

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Use a whip to wave/poke/tap with, and if that doesn't work, move back a little and let your body tell her/him to go forward. Perhaps trying a little on a circle.. make sure you're out of kicking range, but if he jumps forward, follow and get back to the right leading position. If he/she stops, do it again.
That's one way, worked for me. Make sure the horse feels that it can move forward.

(you don't first handle an animal and then teach it manners, you handle the animal in a way that teaches manners.. I wouldn't allow any more from a foal than from a grown up horse, so when the foal is grown up it won't try anything because it already knows that doesn't work.. But it's good to let them stay in a herd as much as pssible too. They need to learn the social rules by horses as well. And horses are better at teaching the right stuff than we are. Doesn't mean we must leave them alone the first years, just let the spare timer be spent in a herd)

Always keep your head up, but be careful to keep your nose at a friendly level.

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post #10 of 17 Old 04-16-2010, 09:50 AM Thread Starter
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Thank for all your advice, im trying it out today.
Why wouldn't you handle your foal? If your paying for all the stuff your not just going to sit back and watch him graze his life away. I think that a foal needs a leader, someone who is capable of breaking and bringing him up. If you wait until your horse is 2-3 years old then you have a stronger, wild, head strong horse who isnt going to understand the basic things you need of him eg; feet, head, loading etc. Where as a spoilt 'pet' can change quickly, im not saying that you should spoil your horse i just think that a horse needs handling. He needs a leader because in the wild a foal would not just get let until it was 2 until it has to 'help'. It is born into a herd that has a leader, colts are driven away from the herd at 2 so they have to be grown up and know their manners.
Anyway thanks everyone for your help, i thought i waas stuck..
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