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post #11 of 17 Old 08-21-2010, 07:18 AM
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Instead of posting a whole entire new topic, and sorry for hijacking yours, can I just ask, what do you do with a horse that doesn't respond to a whip either? I've tried what you's have said for HorseExpert. And I've got a small round pen.

I've even tried tieing a bag to the end. And he just keeps his head to me, acting like I'm disengaging his hindquarters, like HorseExpert explained. Though I'm not sure if he does it while riding, as I've never done it before. Maybe the last people trained him that.
But they had him lunging at their place.
Also, he loves me. Like really loves me. Wont eat if I'm not there. If I fall off, he stops short, and acts freaked out, and waits for me. Would that be.. Somethinging him from lunging?
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post #12 of 17 Old 08-21-2010, 10:06 AM
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Horseexpert-you are trying to lunge on a line that is only 6 ft long? That will never work, if that is what you are doing. The horse has noplace to go! Try the 12-14'line, and only shorten up to get him going in a particular direction...until he gets the idea.

To the other person-sorry-brain fart here-tying a bag oon a whip makes it no longer a whip, really. I have never seen a horse who will not respond to one properly used.

The key, for both of you is to just keep increasing the pressure until you get a response. Reward every effort, and keep progressing. No gray areas here-make it very black and white. In other words, don't just keep swinging the rope/whip -you may actually have to hit the horse with it! To keep swinging without hitting ever is just nagging, and they learn quickly to ignore it. I am not saying beat your horse, by aany means, but I have seen WAY too many people who appear to be afraid to use their tools, and look to be begging their horse to do what they want. Give clear direction and follow thru.

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post #13 of 17 Old 08-21-2010, 11:00 AM
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That's okay, and it was an easy name too! xD

I do that. I have hit him with the whip. Not beat him though. He just puts his ears back then moves closer to me, like I'm gonna save him. I'm the one hittin ya, dude.
I keep going till I'm too frustrated, after trying to lunge for half an hour or so, it gets really annoying, and I don't wanna kill him, as I'll like him in an hour or so. So I stop. xD
I got the bag idea from a friend, she said she has to do that for her donkeys. Dancer was like 'Why in earth are you wagging a bag at my butt? What's it doing?'
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post #14 of 17 Old 08-21-2010, 12:07 PM
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I lunge my mare before every gymkhana just off her 6 foot lead with a whip. She doesn't need it but she likes to blow out when saddled so it gets rid of all the excess space between the cinch. I find shorter ropes can work well at the beginning to get them started at circling you because you have more control with the direction. With a super long rope you have less control if the horse decides to come to a stop far away from you & wont respond to a whip.
In the beginning, try taking him up near the halter & just guiding him. Then allow some rope to come between the 2 of you and add pressure with the whip behind him to help encourage him to keep going ;)

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post #15 of 17 Old 08-21-2010, 12:21 PM
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Benny-if he is invading your space like that, you probably need to go back to square one and teach some respect for your space. Back him out and do not allow him to come at you. Once he is backed out, extend your arm and redirect him. If he comes at you again, do it again, until he learns. You may have to get pretty insistent for sure.

I never do groundwork on a 6' lead-just too close for me. I like to be able to let them out as they increase speed, and even on a 12-14', it can be tough on their joints. Plus, with a 6'-it leaves me nothing to swing at them should they come toward me. 12' is not "super long". That would be the 22-24'.

frankly, I no longer even use a 6'. 12' allows me to correct whatever happens when it happens. And-it is always on a rope halter, like CA uses.

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post #16 of 17 Old 08-21-2010, 01:09 PM
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Okies, I'll try that in the morning, and let ya know how I go. Thanks.
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post #17 of 17 Old 08-21-2010, 09:15 PM
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it sounds like its where you are standing when you lunge him. you have to move with him. dont go past his girth line. (if thats where he was trained at). you have to move in a circle with him. otherwise he will turn into you. thats what my problem was when i started lungeing a horse that had been trained that way.

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