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        01-22-2013, 01:04 AM
    Originally Posted by Palomine    
    nor do they think, "WELL, I am NOT going to back off of this food, because I don't RESPECT this horse yet."

    Thinking like that is foolish.

    Respect comes from handling a horse the first time
    I agree with most of what you said but these 2 statements are contradictory.

    Horses do indeed keep horses they don't "respect" from the feed until they get their fill and they give permission to the other horse to eat. Its very common herd dynamics and the reason why people who feed hay put out an extra pile or feed grain separately. "Respect" is earned and proven in a herd and establishes where each horse stands on the totem pole.

    Secondly like you said, respect doesn't come over night and it doesn't come the first time you handle them either. Some horses will respect you right away, some take time, some will respect you and then lose it and some will constantly challenge your leadership and never 100% respect you. Its all about how you handle them. You can always get their respect if you do it right but there is always exceptions to the rule and some horses never respect people 100% (highly highly doubt that's the OPs issue, just wanted to include all possibilities in my explanation of why I disagree with the above statement)

    Other than that I agree so I'm hoping you just worded it where I'm not understanding what you mean?
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        01-22-2013, 01:36 AM
    Originally Posted by Breezy2011    
    Countrylove: Thank you soo much, I am going to save what you said and go back to it every time I forget!!!

    Now.. for the questions you asked in your 'novel'...
    1. I don't give her treats at all, she eats hay, salt block and mineral tub.
    2. I am not sure about the feeding part. I wish I could, but hay is in the pen 24/7.
    3. Yes she does tie, very well, I am working on getting her to tie for longer periods of time, without her pawing at the ground.

    Thanks again, I really appreciate the time you put into this, and it will make a difference. Next time I go out, I will walk her around, take her places she doesn't like to go, and mix it up a lot.
    What we want is to make you important. Scratch her favorite spot, let her graze on some nice grass when she's out (remember even when being rewarding and behaving keep your rules consistent. I often forget myself and am so happy with her behavior that I get soft and of course she knows it and tries to get away with whatever she can). Not being able to feed her is not a big deal. It helps the process but not needed. Mix up fun and games with work. We do something she wants like grazing but only after I get some work from her. We do short frequent sessions always random. Some relaxed and some more vigorous. Just keep her thinking. Its important to keep them thinking especially young ones but the younger they are the shorter the attention span, so don't push too hard and always end on a good note. I know I repeated some things but they are important to remember and I've personally been there. My mare was pushy and disrespectful, wouldn't work, thank god not aggressive at all, no bite, rear, kick, or buck but she was a space invader and would run people over and pin you against the fence with her butt. We had a few come to Jesus meetings and started working on the small stuff. The details are important. Keep it simple as well.

    Best advice to remember is Every single time you interact with her is a training session. Even if its a quick pet and walk away.

    Oh never let her boss other horses around while you are there. If she does get after her. YOU are the lead mare, not her.

    MOST IMPORTANT is CONSISTENCY even if the training sessions aren't the rules HAVE to be.

    Also touch her everywhere and I mean everywhere. Keep touching areas she doesn't like until she accepts it.

    Desensitize her to things like bags and tarps. Use the lead rope to swing around her legs and over her back gently of course and don't stop until she stands for a few swings. Nudge her nose in if she goes to leave and do not stop swinging the rope over her. When you can do all the feet, back, butt, and neck without her moving switch sides and repeat.

    Remember what you teach on one side has to be retaught on the other side. The brain thinks independently on each side and often one side will be more difficult than the other.

    I have a few videos I'll post for you of some of the desensitizing work I did with my mare.

    Again brain block but I'm sure I'll think of more activities for you to try :)
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        01-22-2013, 01:43 AM
    Will be waiting!!! Thanks!
        01-22-2013, 03:26 AM
    Country Love is giving some great advice!! I follow Clinton Anderson's methods and it works for all types of horses. The biggest thing is to gain the horses respect, you do that by being the boss horse when you are with Breeze, you move her feet, back, left, right.....if you lived closer I do have his gaining respect and control on the ground series of DVDs and it helped me immensly with my horses about 8 yrs. Ago......good luck!
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        01-22-2013, 09:11 PM
    Originally Posted by Thunderspark    
    Country Love is giving some great advice!! I follow Clinton Anderson's methods and it works for all types of horses. The biggest thing is to gain the horses respect, you do that by being the boss horse when you are with Breeze, you move her feet, back, left, right.....if you lived closer I do have his gaining respect and control on the ground series of DVDs and it helped me immensly with my horses about 8 yrs. Ago......good luck!
    Thank you! I'm by far no trainer and my mare is the first I've trained completely on my own (I do have a trainer though, just in case but its still all me). So it means a lot to hear that I'm giving good advice. Sometimes I'm hesitant to give advice because I'm not an expert and this is the first horse I've ever trained all on my own. I have given horses refresher training and helped trainers with horses but its not the same as doing it on your own from the beginning. I read a lot of the threads on here and am constantly researching new techniques. I have found that CA makes sense to me. I don't have any of his videos or anything like that but his philosophy on using herd dynamics fascinated me and came as common sense. Its easy to explain and its easy to apply. I felt comfortable giving advice here because I have personally been in the OPs shoes. It can be frustrating and is a time consuming ordeal but it is worth it. My once pushy mare who I didn't trust around kids can now be ridden bareback by kids. I can send my 9yr old niece out to get her from the pasture and she is always on her best behavior. But this came with trial and error, practice and lots of time. I'm no expert but I do know these techniques worked wonders for my mare.
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