Agree completely & totally with your last post Amlalriiee. You put it very well
To be sure, I wasn't saying OP was doing the wrong thing either, just that (depending on specifics) it could well be perceived by the horse as -R when she removed her foot..... which may also have been fine too for that matter, but I think it's helpful to understand the principles of everything you do, so you can understand better what messages you may be giving to your horse at all times. That's why I may appear to get carried away with 'semantics' & 'pedantics'!
Just trying to explain the psychological differences between 'methods'.
Well - if temporary is going on two years (in one particular horses case), yep then it's just a temporary fix!
Please re-read what I said, if you don't get what I was getting at with the possibility of punishment being temporary. Or better still(& likely clearer than my convoluted thoughts
), do a bit of study into behavioural psychology, to learn it's limitations & possible 'side effects', how
[/quote]I weigh 1/10th of most of the horses I work with. My boot in their belly is an attention getter. When you tap someone on the shoulder - is that punishment?[/QUOTE]
Well to get particular, of course it's not *usually* perceived as a punishment to tap someone on the shoulder, but to really consider it, depending on the situation, person, etc, it certainly could well be. Again, I'm discussing principles, not wishing to be judging specific situations(of which I don't feel I'd have the right, with only a few words to go on anyway), but I did perceive your words of 'boot to the belly' to mean something a lot stronger than an attention getting tap.
Yes! When I do choose to use punishment, if it is a situation that can be planned for like that, I think that's a great way to use it, because it is more of a 'self punishment' to *himself*, rather than being perceived as *you* paying out on the horse(he was silly enough to run into your elbow). It also means the punishment happens in perfect timing - at the time of the 'bad' behaviour, rather than after it's happened, which means it's far more likely to be associated with that particular behaviour.
My guy likes to toss his head my way as I am tacking him up
and he runs into my elbow every time now!