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post #1 of 23 Old 06-26-2011, 10:05 PM Thread Starter
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trying to control a horse

well my friend is scared of her 14.3 hand appy/tb cross she's 9 years old..
So she's riding my show horse. So I rode her today (i'll get video tomorrow)
I rode her in a D-ring english bridle, running martingale, tekna A4 jumping saddle (it's my friends), and boots, she was acting up as in (throwing her head, sidestepping, crowhopping at a canter)my friend used her as a barrel horse from 5-6 and she wasn't fast enough. So from 6 1/2 till now she's been a jumper and has down basic dressage well she took a bad fall and she's been scared of her. So for the past 8 and a half months she's got away with EVERYTHING
I'll get videos tomorrow.. but any advice? I'm not scared of her I'm used to powerful disrespectful horses but my friend doesn't want anything rough..well
I believe in light reins heavy leg with her the slight touch of ur leg no matter from a halt, walk, trot, or canter she takes off
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Have you or your friend done any groundwork on her lately?

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Have you or your friend done any groundwork on her lately?
I have did tons of lunging w/t/c pasture roundpen arena,
On the ground she's amazing she'll do flying changes, side pass, she'll free jump and never once get hyper, its all under saddle I know im not to heavy as im only 103lb and she's 14.3 and stocky
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You said she had a bad fall then said her unwanted bahavior is all under saddle....
Two things come to mind-
1. Soundness after her fall. Has she been checked out with the vet for any join, back, etc issues?

2. It could be mental. The horse scared of getting back out there and falling again. I bet the combined anxiety from the horse and the anxiety she is getting from the rider is making her act that way (if its not pain). I would keep riding her for your friend, you sound like a confident rider, and see if you can get the horse to trust your judgment. Start slow, just arena work and changing gaits but no jumps. The horse needs to have a leader again. She probably feels like her rider got her hurt and now is not displaying confidence so she's taking control of the situation.

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You said she had a bad fall then said her unwanted bahavior is all under saddle....
Two things come to mind-
1. Soundness after her fall. Has she been checked out with the vet for any join, back, etc issues?

2. It could be mental. The horse scared of getting back out there and falling again. I bet the combined anxiety from the horse and the anxiety she is getting from the rider is making her act that way (if its not pain). I would keep riding her for your friend, you sound like a confident rider, and see if you can get the horse to trust your judgment. Start slow, just arena work and changing gaits but no jumps. The horse needs to have a leader again. She probably feels like her rider got her hurt and now is not displaying confidence so she's taking control of the situation.
the horse didn't fall my friend did
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the horse didn't fall my friend did

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It is not surprising that people confused the girl's fall for the horse's fall. Your post is very confusing. You use "her" and "she" over and over in various sentences when it is extrememly unclear whether that means the mare or the girl. When you use "she" in a sentence, it always refers back to the most resently mentioned subject of the sentence.

The mare is young. She is only 9. (means the mare is only 9)


As for advice, if you could be more specific . You mean how to deal with the fearful friend or how to ride the mare, or?
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It is not surprising that people confused the girl's fall for the horse's fall. Your post is very confusing. You use "her" and "she" over and over in various sentences when it is extrememly unclear whether that means the mare or the girl. When you use "she" in a sentence, it always refers back to the most resently mentioned subject of the sentence.

The mare is young. She is only 9. (means the mare is only 9)


As for advice, if you could be more specific . You mean how to deal with the fearful friend or how to ride the mare, or?
ill change my 1st post..
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Well my friend, Amy is scared of Zoe 14.3 hand appy/tb cross she's 9 years old..
So amys riding my show horse. So I rode Zoe today (i'll get video tomorrow)
I rode Zoe in a D-ring english bridle, running martingale, tekna A4 jumping saddle (it's Amy's friends), and boots, Zoe was acting up as in (throwing her head, sidestepping, crowhopping at a canter) Amy used her as a barrel horse from 5-6 and Zoe wasn't fast enough. So from 6 1/2 till now Zoe's been a jumper and has down basic dressage well Amy took a bad fall and she's been scared of Zoe. So for the past 8 and a half months Zoe got away with EVERYTHING, bucking, rearing, taking off etc
I'll get videos tomorrow.. but any advice? I'm not scared of zoe I'm used to powerful disrespectful horses but Amy doesn't want anything rough (training)..welli believe in light reins heavy leg with Zoe the slight touch of ur leg no matter from a halt, walk, trot, or canter she takes off at a full out run

Edit: I need advice on trying to fix this mare. I mean I did all my mare's training but Zoe is getting alittle bit to much to handle. I'm not scared of her But i'm going to have a trainer helping me..but I need advice for now

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This is yet another example of amateurs needing mentors. (see my "The Need for Mentors" thread.)

Since Zoe is getting the better of you, now, both friend & you need coaching, ime.

The passion to grow as a horseperson must be in one's heart. Your friend may want out of horses altogether, may want a less dominant horse, either temporarily or permanently, or may find it within herself to learn how to handle the "tough customer". All of this is what a qualified horseperson can help her decide.

I'm glad for all concerned that the trainer's coming to help. Good Luck!

Re: what to do before trainer arrives: stay safe, both of you! The horse'll live & then so will you.
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This is yet another example of amateurs needing mentors. (see my "The Need for Mentors" thread.)

Since Zoe is getting the better of you, now, both friend & you need coaching, ime.

The passion to grow as a horseperson must be in one's heart. Your friend may want out of horses altogether, may want a less dominant horse, either temporarily or permanently, or may find it within herself to learn how to handle the "tough customer". All of this is what a qualified horseperson can help her decide.

I'm glad for all concerned that the trainer's coming to help. Good Luck!

Re: what to do before trainer arrives: stay safe, both of you! The horse'll live & then so will you.
yea amy loves my gelding he's an angel and is perfect under saddle...Zoe gives me a work out..and she's only 14.3 hands!! My shortest horse I ride is 15.3 closer to 16 hands.. and have rode my trainer's 17hand horses..but Zoe tops the list
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Hugs,

Thank you for your effort to edit. Much better! I appreciate it.

Now I understand . Do you have a round pen to do some ground work at liberty with her.? Maybe she needs some desensititzation work, especially if she reacts to any sort of leg pressure by zoomimg off in a panic.

You might work with getting her to tolerate some flags or weights on her back. I think that a trainer is a good idea. But if I had time , I would definintely want to work in the round pen . I know that sounds like a blanket response to every training ill, but it tends to be the best place to start with a horse that is dangerously out of focus toward humans.
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