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        01-14-2009, 06:48 PM
      #31
    Yearling
    She is getting better now.

    The saddle I'm using at the moment doesnt fit but its the only one I have intill I sell my newer one, and she does it when Im bareback anyway so its not the saddle. She hasnt been mouthed right so I have decided not to use a bridle and just ride in a halter. Teeth have just been floated, feet need a trim but don't give her any pain. No pain anywhere.
         
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        01-15-2009, 01:18 AM
      #32
    Foal
    If you know you saddle does not fit, then I would not use it. Every time that you ride in a saddle that does not fit, you are pinching your horse, causing pain. This is how saddle sores and other issues come about. She probably bucks when bareback because she is now associating you riding her with pain, so she reacts the same. Can you borrow a saddle from someone else until you get a new one? My horse went through the same thing when my saddle did not fit, I am now riding in someone else's and the problem is gone. Also, I would think about potentially switching over to hackamore if you are having problems with the bit. You will have a lot more control vs. just a halter.
         
        01-15-2009, 01:57 AM
      #33
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NewHeart    
    If you know you saddle does not fit, then I would not use it. Every time that you ride in a saddle that does not fit, you are pinching your horse, causing pain. This is how saddle sores and other issues come about. She probably bucks when bareback because she is now associating you riding her with pain, so she reacts the same. Can you borrow a saddle from someone else until you get a new one? My horse went through the same thing when my saddle did not fit, I am now riding in someone else's and the problem is gone. Also, I would think about potentially switching over to hackamore if you are having problems with the bit. You will have a lot more control vs. just a halter.

    I put a saddle on layby today that will fit her. The old owner is still riding her and he said his saddle doesnt fit her as well and he rides her more then what I do, Im pretty sure my saddle is a closer fit then what his is. I have thought about a hackamore but arent they more for the western riders?
         
        01-15-2009, 02:19 AM
      #34
    Foal
    Well first off, what you do with your horse is completely your business, but just a thought, if both you and the previous owner are riding in saddles that don't fit, its going to cause problems. It really does not matter whose is closer fit, if a saddle does not fit, it does not fit. There really is no way around that one. If you are an english rider, then perhaps you should consider riding in a bitless bridle. Anything is going to be better then just a halter. Like I said previously, when riding in a halter, you are lacking control compared to a bridle.
         
        01-15-2009, 02:32 AM
      #35
    Yearling
    I just re-read my last post and I sounded quite rude so Im sorry, I just didnt agree for the old owners to keep riding her and when I went to check on her today she was really cranky and I could see the sweat marks of where the saddle had been so I knew he was riding her.

    I will stop riding her in the saddle and maybe just go bareback, she did have a saddle sore on her back but that has all cleared up now. I have a saddle on layby that should fit her and that I can change if it doesnt. We drove around town yesterday trying to find a pony sized bitless bridle and they don't have them anywhere. I have found one online and we will be ordering one.

    Thankyou and Sorry for me previous post.
         
        01-15-2009, 11:39 AM
      #36
    Foal
    No worries. A small bit of advice though, if you don't like the previous owners riding her then tell them to stop. If you own the horse, you have full rights to say who (if anyone) can ride your horse. If you suspect that it may be causing problems, then perhaps I would let them know that you don't think that it is appropriate. Anyways, best of luck to you and your horse.
         
        01-15-2009, 02:21 PM
      #37
    Foal
    I had a similar problem with Mick bucking at me when I started him on the lunge or when I turned him out and instead of a crop I would just yell 'HEY!' and throw my hands up and it quickly gets his attention and stops the behavior...sometimes you can't get to them quick enough with a crop and then they learn that they can get away with the behavior by darting off.
         
        01-15-2009, 05:18 PM
      #38
    Yearling
    Thanks
         
        01-16-2009, 12:50 AM
      #39
    Weanling
    A suggestion, someone said to get off when she kicks out when undersaddle and then lunge her. I would not get off, and instead just really work her while you are on her to let her know it is not acceptable behavior. By getting off, even though she is getting worked, she is going to associate "oh if I kick out then my rider gets off." So if you feel you have the experience to sit it out that would be the best thing.

    What is your level of experience? I am getting the feeling that you are somewhat inexperienced. If you have the option of giving the mare back and finding something that is more suited to your needs I would do that, just for your own safety. Horses that kick out that much at you are dangerous, and can become more dangerous if you do not possess the necessary experience and confidence in handling such situations. Not to mention you will have a lot more fun with a horse you can trust 100%! If you really like the mare, I would have her checked out by the vet to make sure she is not in pain, and be sure and find a saddle that fits her. Ill fitting saddles can cause a horse to behave in the manner she is portraying.

    Something else you can do with her to help est. Dominance, in a controlled setting is to do in-hand ground work. Get a dressage whip (they are longer then crops, so you can be further from her hind end!) and stand at her head (have her in a halter and lead rope) ask her to yield her hindquarters by touching her softly with the whip, if she does not move off the pressure start tapping, increase the pressure of the tapping until she moves (reward for the slightest try at first, reward is to stop tapping). Then work on turning on the hindquarter (yield the forehand), work on side passing or leg yielding. By doing these exercises in hand you will be able to develop control of her body parts. Then when you get on her back you will be able to ask for the same exercises to help get her really listening and paying attention to you. In hand you can also work on backing, halting, walking off immediately with you, trotting in hand. There is so much work you can do in hand that is much safer than turning a horse, that likes to kick at you, loose in a round pen (this will allow her much more access to kick at you).
         
        01-16-2009, 01:44 AM
      #40
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SaddleUp158    
    A suggestion, someone said to get off when she kicks out when undersaddle and then lunge her. I would not get off, and instead just really work her while you are on her to let her know it is not acceptable behavior. By getting off, even though she is getting worked, she is going to associate "oh if I kick out then my rider gets off." So if you feel you have the experience to sit it out that would be the best thing.

    What is your level of experience? I am getting the feeling that you are somewhat inexperienced. If you have the option of giving the mare back and finding something that is more suited to your needs I would do that, just for your own safety. Horses that kick out that much at you are dangerous, and can become more dangerous if you do not possess the necessary experience and confidence in handling such situations. Not to mention you will have a lot more fun with a horse you can trust 100%! If you really like the mare, I would have her checked out by the vet to make sure she is not in pain, and be sure and find a saddle that fits her. Ill fitting saddles can cause a horse to behave in the manner she is portraying.

    Something else you can do with her to help est. Dominance, in a controlled setting is to do in-hand ground work. Get a dressage whip (they are longer then crops, so you can be further from her hind end!) and stand at her head (have her in a halter and lead rope) ask her to yield her hindquarters by touching her softly with the whip, if she does not move off the pressure start tapping, increase the pressure of the tapping until she moves (reward for the slightest try at first, reward is to stop tapping). Then work on turning on the hindquarter (yield the forehand), work on side passing or leg yielding. By doing these exercises in hand you will be able to develop control of her body parts. Then when you get on her back you will be able to ask for the same exercises to help get her really listening and paying attention to you. In hand you can also work on backing, halting, walking off immediately with you, trotting in hand. There is so much work you can do in hand that is much safer than turning a horse, that likes to kick at you, loose in a round pen (this will allow her much more access to kick at you).
    I have been sitting it out the kicks. I have been riding for 3 years, I'm not sure what level of riding I am, I have more of a confidence problem then a exprience problem. Today I found a lump on her belly and she didnt look to well so I'm getting a vet out and I think that might be the reason, it doesnt seem to be sore but I'm not sure.
         

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