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post #1 of 12 Old 07-25-2010, 06:51 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation Turning on the haunches help..

I have a 3 year old draft cross so she is really heavy in her front end she has a hard time turning on the haunches. All I'm doing right now is when she is on a line try to push her front shoulder away from me ( I have to hold her haulter so she don't walk forward) but she will only do one step right now. I would just like some tips for when she does move her back legs how much is acceptable for her to balance and any other ideas that would help. This is her first year I really tried to teach her this. I have tried in the saddle but I don't really have a corner big enough to help me keep her still. She understand more of what i'm asking on the ground than in the saddle. There is sometimes she will get a step in the saddle but it gets really frusturating lol... Help anyone please :)
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Does she know how to leg yield under saddle? And can you get her to yield her hind quarters and shoulders from the ground? Until you can get these with no problems, don't worry about turn on the haunches.

They way I teach turn on the haunches from the ground, is actually the same aids as what I'd give under saddle, minus the weight/seat. Put the horse in a bridle, and put the reins over its head like you would when you ride. Practice having the horse walking forward and back up while keeping your right hand holding both reins just above the wither. You don't need a corner to teach turn on the haunches, just a straight fence of some description if you would like to add a bit of support for the horse.
(Imagine you want you horse to yield to the right for this explanation) Face your horse, standing just behind the shoulder, reins in left hand with the right rein slightly shorter. Ask the horse to flex a little to the right. Apply pressure with your finger tips behind the shoulder/on the girth. It may also help to have a dressage whip handy to tap the hind legs forward if need be. If you are asking correctly, and the horse understands it, the left fore leg will cross in front of the right fore leg. The left hind leg should also take a small step forward. Turn on the haunches, as all movements are, is a forward movement. There is some forward momentum as you want to left for and hind to step forward and across rather than backwards, which often occurs when you start to block to forehand.

Under saddle, I will weight my inside (right) stirrup, move my outside (left) leg back behind the girth, take my inside (right) shoulder back a little and ask the horse to flex to the inside (right) with my inside (right) rein. Ask the horse to move across with your outside (left) leg, while supporting the bend and keeping to forward momentum with your inside (right) leg.
Be happy with one or two steps, then walk off onto a straight line. Don't over do turn on the haunches training as it does put a lot of strain on the horse's joint, particularly in the hind quarters if the horse is not accustomed to having to 'sit' yet.
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Thanks, I'm definally going to try this. And She understand leg yeilding a bit. She just has an attention problem sometimes lol she gets distracted easily.
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If she is only 3 I wouldn't worry about it too much, just get her really understanding what the leg and rein aids mean. Don't worry about it being perfect yet, it is hard work for them so if she moves forward a bit while learning it ans still young I wouldn't worry to much as long as she is understanding what you are asking.

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I tried using the bridal and turning her head away from me and tapping on her girth and she us understanding it pretty good acutally. I can even bring her out into the open space without the aid of the wall. It was a sucessful day. I tried this morning and after a while she cought on and was going good and I tried again at supper and she was doing great for first day trying with bridal. Best day so far at teaching her to turn move her front end.
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If she is only 3 I wouldn't worry about it too much, just get her really understanding what the leg and rein aids mean. Don't worry about it being perfect yet, it is hard work for them so if she moves forward a bit while learning it ans still young I wouldn't worry to much as long as she is understanding what you are asking.


Thanks for the info :) I don't push her really hard to try to keep her feet completely still she is doing a pretty good job at it concidering. She does get smart though and try to completely back up and not turn at all, but I cought on to her little tricks lol. I just use the training whip and touch her legs and say whoa (don't know if that was suggested on this board or not) and she will stop and make a turn then.
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I would take a crop and just do little smacks as she is turning around. Eventually it will make her realize what you want.

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i would take a crop and just do little smacks as she is turning around. Eventually it will make her realize what you want.
Smacking her as she's yielding will merely tell her that yielding away from the pressure is the wrong response, and she'll try something else to get away with it. The instant she turns on her haunches, even just one leg, the pressure must be removed to reward the response.
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Smacking her as she's yielding will merely tell her that yielding away from the pressure is the wrong response, and she'll try something else to get away with it. The instant she turns on her haunches, even just one leg, the pressure must be removed to reward the response.
no. It tells her that as you walk towards her she must submit and back off. Thefore the pivot on the haunches. Im not saying smack all the way around, but smacking helps. And that's how I taught my paint world champion showmanship horse to pivot.

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Different methods I guess. But I am a firm believer in the pressure release method. Horses seek comfort, they do not like pressure. Comfort is attained by responding correctly in which case the pressure is removed and he horse receives comfort.
However I do work primarily with TB's and Wb's, and the pressure/release method is very effective with these horses. If you keep the pressure on, with the tb's in particular, they have a tendency to 'blow up'/panic/become highly confused, thus they lose 'faith' in you.
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