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post #1 of 11 Old 06-04-2012, 09:54 AM Thread Starter
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TWH show question

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I have seen a few threads on soring lately, where I live we have little to no twh and i dont think we even have any twh shows. Anyway, my question is in those big lick classes and the top classes are all the horses sored? I know no one can really answer that. But what I mean is, I have seen many video's of the natural gates and what it produces. So in the classes with the huge huge movement would all of those horses be sored or would that be from chains and shoes(shoe type things.... ) alone?

I'm just curious on if getting that big movement without soring is actually possible?
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post #2 of 11 Old 06-04-2012, 10:20 AM
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It is possible to get big lick movement without soring. Not everyone who does big lick classes sores.
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post #3 of 11 Old 06-04-2012, 01:37 PM
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yes they are all sored, they come up with loopholes to say it isnt, but they drive in nails, use chains, do all kinds of things to get around the letter of the law but still does the same thing to the horse. Then they write letters and get on their soapbox and say they are against soring, TWHBEA officers, directors, judges and anyone else involved in Big Lick are all either admitted criminals, or hypocrites and liars.
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not every horse in every class is sored just like not every racehorse in every race is drugged. however in a recent study, 52 horses of all 52 tested in random testing at a big lick show tested positive - indicating that the practice is more widespread than originally thought, unfortunately. i can't speak to firsthand experience, as i have none, though my impression is that it IS possible to get that movement without soring. as for the special shoes, that i do not know much about. personally i feel those shoes are largely unnatural and can't be good for the horse long-term, but again this is just my OPINION and i do not know stats to back that up. i'd be open to learning more, however.

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well how about every single official and director of the TWHBEA, has been cited for at least one animal welfare violation.
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Looking at the history many many many of the trainers and award winning barns have all had charges. I had the webpage up with dates and facts.. I will try to find it again.

I just know nothing about the breed, showing at that level (not sure if that is considered a high level even :S ). I would like to learn more about the breed as a whole, showing them and why this happens. I know that many gp showjumpers have trick I have seen first hand... trip wires, people on each side of the jump lifting it to hit the horses legs... puting a couple inches of steel on the top of the pole for the horse to hit....

Is the big lick class the only one this would be used in? Geeze... I know so little. If anyone could help me understand..Unless doing this is just incomprehensible ;)
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It is possible to get big lick movement without soring. Not everyone who does big lick classes sores.
you really can't get that movement with putting ridiculous and harmful devices on the animal, and certainly not without compromising its soundness.
it is NOT a natural way of going for the walking horse. it is a grossly exaggerated and disturbing way of movement.

they may not all sore, but getting the horses to move that way is certainly not pretty.
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The movement is obtainable without "soring"
Lets get back to the regular term of soring.. Its a abuse of craming harmful objects into the horses hoove- so that they snap quicker because of the emense pain. But getting back to basics, the movement is obtainable without soring, example with pads,chains, weighted shoes ect.

I think people just get in a hissy everytime they see something saying soring- and automaticly jump to all training devices are bad.

The only reason these devices are used is because people dont take time to care about how the horse is finished- They just want results "NOW"

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Looking at the history many many many of the trainers and award winning barns have all had charges. I had the webpage up with dates and facts.. I will try to find it again.

I just know nothing about the breed, showing at that level (not sure if that is considered a high level even :S ). I would like to learn more about the breed as a whole, showing them and why this happens. I know that many gp showjumpers have trick I have seen first hand... trip wires, people on each side of the jump lifting it to hit the horses legs... puting a couple inches of steel on the top of the pole for the horse to hit....

Is the big lick class the only one this would be used in? Geeze... I know so little. If anyone could help me understand..Unless doing this is just incomprehensible ;)
Soring happens because the natural talent of a walking horse does not win in the show ring. They have to throw higher and farther to be noticed, and that's what soring accomplishes. It takes the true beauty of the animal and mutilates it, contorts it into something grotesque. But, I'm not on a soapbox or anything.
I have not heard of chemical soring in any other discipline, and yes, to me, it is incomprehensible.
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post #10 of 11 Old 06-05-2012, 05:16 PM
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wrapping chains around the ankles , exaggerated pads and unnatural shoeing is exactly the type of abusive garbage that people claim isnt soring but still is.
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