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post #1 of 19 Old 05-11-2010, 02:02 AM Thread Starter
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Two abused 7yr geldings... Is Monty Roberts way a good approach?

Hi all,

Well I am always interested in learning new horsemanship skills. And now getting back into horses, I am quickly finding my hands full....

I have ended up with two 7yrs old paint geldings with a bad histories... some problems I am facing...
Head shy, pushy, herd bound, kicking, wont let you touch there rear, wont pick up feet.. and they are both said to be broke j I dont believe on mounting a horse you cant control on the ground.. so have not even placed a saddle on them yet. I have beed working with one for a couple days (and can now pick up front feet, and rear with a little extra work) and plan to move the other one in a week of so after a vet check.

Anyways, they both have been abused, one even had a broken jaw a few years back. I need a gentle approach with then, and would like to learn more on building trust and desensitization. I would like fresh eyes on this, so any advice is welcome.

And what are your thoughts on Monty Roberts? Is it a structured program? or more take what you want form it?
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post #2 of 19 Old 05-11-2010, 03:19 AM
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I find Monty Roberts training ways very beneficial to me, in that you can just take from it what you feel is useful. It's always important to have tools from more than one trainer in your repertoire though, and never more so than with a horse with an uncertain past. You never know what they will throw at you and you have to do your best to be as prepared as you can be.

So basically, my advice would be, don't get set in to just using Monty, or any other trainer for that matter. Give yourself a nice full tool belt!

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First thank you for trying to help them.

When I get a rescue horse in that has been misused, I will turn them out with my herd and just let them be horses. They soon learn that I provide food, affection, and discipline. If they want food, they need to come to me for it. It starts them accepting humans as good.

You can go set up a lawn chair and read a book with a bag of carrots on your lap. If the come close, toss a bit of carrot. Soon you'll have their trust.

Once you have them following you, start working them in the round pen.

The thing with these horses is that if they have been misused or abused, you have to be careful to push them far enough each day that they are learning and coming around, but not so hard that they slip back into the "abused" mindset. It is a delicate balancing act.

Good luck.

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Sorry im not sure i understood did you say you thought him to rear??

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No. She said she can pick up the front feet and the rear (feet) with a little extra work.

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Don't get set on particular trainer. They all have good suggestions and some work for some horses, some for other. I used CA techniques and they worked great on my dominant alpha mare, and caused issues with my very sensitive paint. So you just never know. Just use your common sense (I assume you have horsey experience), spend lots of time with them, and try to make their interaction with you as pleasant as possible (without them running over you of course, but it doesn't sound like a case here). Wish you best luck!
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Tanya, That's a pretty broad question you have asked bearing in mind you have not told us much about yourself and even less about the horses.

And Monty won't even give training advice over the Internet so there is no use in asking him.

If you can ask a specific question then maybe the gurus amongst us can help you find an answer to the problem.

My two cents worth says - give yourself a bit more time to get to know the horses and for them to know you. First establish a daily handling routine.
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Any form of good horsemanship will work - If you pick a program and do it properly, with feel and common sense, and aren't afraid to branch out if it isn't working, then you will have success no matter which program you use.

One thing - Don't be afraid to discipline just because they have been abused - Horses can very easily distinguish a disciplinary action (As long as it is delivered quickly, fairly, and then forgotten) from untoward aggression. Many people make themistake of never using force with abused horses, and end up with problems worse than they started out with.

You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders - So go in with an open mind, listen to what the horses are telling you, and be adjustable, and you should be fine no matter what path you take :]

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Thanks for the advice, always love to learn something new..

Ya I am not the kind of horse person who just follows one program, but with these boys being problem horses I am looking to learn more. I grew up with rough cowboys and have worked breaking wild horses for trail rides, and when you have dead lines, you tend to rush... I have now expanded my mind towards natural horsemanship, and with my horses never rush.

I have my own way of doing things, but just want to expand my skills, I have never had formal training, and dont understand the finer side of ridding and I am sure my seat is not pretty (but it keeps me in the saddle, and my knees hurt less), I am come more from the working side of horsemanship.

If anyone has ideas on ways to sack them out, and how to pick up there feet, maybe someone knows something I have not tried before.
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Don't get set on particular trainer. They all have good suggestions and some work for some horses, some for other. I used CA techniques and they worked great on my dominant alpha mare, and caused issues with my very sensitive paint. So you just never know. Just use your common sense (I assume you have horsey experience), spend lots of time with them, and try to make their interaction with you as pleasant as possible (without them running over you of course, but it doesn't sound like a case here). Wish you best luck!
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