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    07-20-2007, 08:59 PM
I like what desert gal says. She and I share ideas about full cheek. I love mine on my arab. Otherwise I would use a D ring snaffle.
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    07-21-2007, 05:18 AM
You guys do realize that D-rings and full cheecks are english bits right? Firstly, and O-Ring functions much the same as the D-ring, and it doesn't look stupid. If I saw someone riding a western horse with one of those bits I'd automatically assume they didn't exactly know what they were doing or were an english riding trying to do western.

Plus if she shows with the snaffle a D-ring or full cheek would get her marked down very harshly.
    07-21-2007, 04:49 PM
Firelight, there is not thing as an english bit or western bit when training, the D bit I use and I know I am more western then you, I never even sat in a english saddle until the other day when a friend's horse needed some work. I do not like the full cheeks because they pull on there face.
    07-22-2007, 05:16 AM
How are you more western than me? I ride both but primarily western. My biggest thing is reining and I team pen often.Please don't make assumptions about people you do not know. Anyways, yes there is such a thing as a western and english bit while training. Though nearly the same, there is a slight different between say a D-Ring and an O-ring because of the way the reins attach to the bit. If she were to train in a D-ring and then decide to show before moving her up to a curb, she would need a western type snaffle to not loose points or worse, be disqualified. Though not incredibly likely, if she traded the d-ring for the o-ring to be correct in the show ring, the horse may not perform the same as the pull on its mouth is different and it may feel a bit different to the rider.
    07-22-2007, 10:47 AM
So you rein, and team pen. That doesn't make you more western then me I do it all rein, rope, cut, I have worked on a ranch with cows and what do you use to move the cows? I am a cowboy so knowing what I do and most people do not I just was thinking that I was a little more western than you. I show in a stock horse show and there is a lot of people that ride in a D snaffle, I like the way the D works better I can pull his nose in a little better.
    07-22-2007, 12:45 PM
I didn't say you were less country than me, or I was more country than you. I just don't appreciate the fact that you automatically assume you are superior to me in as far as being "western" goes, that's all. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, and if so I'm sorry. But it did come off as offensive to me, as if you were belittling me. I was born and raised a country girl and proud of it. I've raised horses, sheep, and cattle and was the vice president of our FFA chapter. I've tried all disciplines I can with horses because I have a thirst for learning, but I've always most enjoyed western riding (reining, cow work, etc.) and always come back to it. Plus one of my personal favorites, gaming! -_^

Back to the bit...If she is talking about having a western pleasure horse, that whole area is extremly political. I got out of that because it was ridiculous. You have to have very specific tack or else you get marked down. In fact, its so ridiculous that I could usually stand outside the ring, watching people go in, and place the class myself before it started based solely on how expensive their tack and clothing was and how flashy their horse happened to be. I was so disgusted with the fact that it was a beauty/popularity contest not usually based on skill. I saw some people's horses throw giant fits and still place at the top of the class because they looked wealthier/flashier. That's why the "correct" tack is essential for those classes, or else you automatically get put down for what they consider "english" tack.

In any case, I'm not saying all western pleasure riders are like that, but you have to admit that a huge portion of that discipline has gone snooty and overly ridiculous. I have had quarter horses, paints, morgans, and grade horses, and now I have arabians. Yes, I rein and work cattle with arabians. The breed works for me and we click, though there are so many people who put them down as ranch/cattle horses. Mine have never let me down on the job.
    07-22-2007, 05:52 PM
I was not trying to offend you in any way, but you are right about pleasure shows, not all are that way but a lot are with the tack and hat you wear. That is why I don't show in pleasure shows. The stock horse show has pleasure classes but are not the same about the tack.

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