Unable to catch horse
   

       The Horse Forum > Training Horses > Horse Training

Unable to catch horse

This is a discussion on Unable to catch horse within the Horse Training forums, part of the Training Horses category
  • My mare turns bum to me when catching
  • Catching horse horse puts butt toward me

Like Tree1Likes

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
    05-15-2012, 06:53 PM
  #1
Weanling
Unable to catch horse

Okay, so I volunteered to train 2 horses for a lady. Yesterday was the first day. I get there and spend an hour "walking her down" or however you put it. I am very good at this, I can normally catch any horse this way. After an hour of no success, the owner's friend comes walking in with a bucket of grain and proceeds to catch her. I do NOT condone bribing to catch a horse. This is a 5 year old paint mare that the owner has had since she was born. Spoiled rotten and the most disrespectful horse I have ever met. Today I went to catch her, after an hour she was the same. I could go up to her but as soon as she saw me move my rope to put it around her neck she was off. She also turns her butt to you because the owner thought it was cute that she wanted her butt scratched when she was little. So today, I roped her. I made her stand there while I went up and put the halter on. Once I catch her she is fine. She will stand tied all day, easy to saddle, pick feet up. I can lunge her one direction, but the other direction she goes halfway around then tries to turn. I go to stop her and she rears up and darts the other direction. When I lead her, she was right on top of me, no respect at all. She now leads 3 feet behind me and stops when I stop. I need some direction on the lunging issue and the catching. I know that once I am done with her the owner will just go back to bribing her, but I refuse to.


The other one is a 4 year old saddlebred mare. She is easy to catch, was all over me leading, but that was easy to correct. I rode her today after ground driving her yesterday and she really surprised me. But she is extremely buddy sour. Take her away and she rears up and tries to go back to her friends ( I haven't ridden her away, just led her to tie her to the trailer for a bit) when I tie her she paws at whatever she is tied to. The only way I know to correct this is hobble breaking and letting her stay tied for hours...but I don't want her to destroy the trailer or get her leg through the fence. The owner has no pole to tie her to unfortunately. Any ideas? The tying is really her only problem, I can fix a buddy sour horse with time. I am taking her for a walk down the road tomorrow to see how she is. I'm hoping she just enjoys the scenery and calms down.

Working with them really makes me appreciate my nice, respectful, easy to catch horse.
SpiritLifter likes this.
     
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
    05-15-2012, 07:09 PM
  #2
Showing
Nothing worse than a horse owner that unintentionally ruins their horses via spoiling them rotten.. :(

I'm thinking you need to step up the walk down. Have you tried making the horse move its feet (kind of like free lunging) in the paddock? Like take a rope or a lunging whip, if the horse turns away from you or doesn't face you, make him trot. Then back off and if he slows down and looks at you stop what you're doing and soften your body. If he turns away, drive him off again. The timing must be perfect or he won't understand what you're doing.

I guarantee if you are persistent with sending him off to work when he doesn't give you his full attention (or partial since you want to encourage him for trying) then he'll eventually stand and let you approach him. Then it's just a case of putting a rope around his neck before slipping his halter on (so he can't run away.)


You'll need to work on this in an enclosed arena too. Never walk to a horse that isn't paying you attention. If possible, you want to invite them in.



As for the other horse.. are you sure it's only the fact she's buddy sour? What's her history like?

Just keep up with consistency. I would stop riding and work on the ground with her, away from all the other horses. Then ground drive her away from all the horses. Then mount her and try again.

Make sure there isn't any saddle fit issues or back pain. It's VERY easy to overlook.

For tying.. that's a whooole other animal. I'll leave that to someone more experienced to go over with you. I had problems with my own horse that I fixed, but I'll keep my mouth shut for now
     
    05-15-2012, 07:37 PM
  #3
Weanling
I have tried what you suggested. I really wish they had a round pen, would make things a lot easier. Tomorrow I will just keep at it until she lets me catch her or she drops dead from running her fat butt around and around.

The other one, yes, buddy sour. If she can't see them she whinny's and gets all hyper. If they are standing next to the fence when I'm working her she tries her hardest to stay close to them, though today was much better. When I'm on her in the arena thing they have going on her head is down, she's relaxed and listening to me, but the other horses are close. I have really never met a horse as spoiled as these two. I see myself falling in love with the saddlebred though, she is a sweetheart and tries her hardest to please, she just hasn't had the life to allow her to reach her potential
     
    05-15-2012, 08:17 PM
  #4
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimWhit91    
I have tried what you suggested. I really wish they had a round pen, would make things a lot easier. Tomorrow I will just keep at it until she lets me catch her or she drops dead from running her fat butt around and around.

The other one, yes, buddy sour. If she can't see them she whinny's and gets all hyper. If they are standing next to the fence when I'm working her she tries her hardest to stay close to them, though today was much better. When I'm on her in the arena thing they have going on her head is down, she's relaxed and listening to me, but the other horses are close. I have really never met a horse as spoiled as these two. I see myself falling in love with the saddlebred though, she is a sweetheart and tries her hardest to please, she just hasn't had the life to allow her to reach her potential

Yeah it's just going to take some time and consistent correction. Be careful not to teach her to get dull to your legs, though.
     
    05-17-2012, 02:19 PM
  #5
Foal
You can continue doing what you are doing, because it will eventually get better with consistency. You can use the bribery until respect is established and then slowly remove it from the picture. Everyone has their views on using treats, and obviously the owners feel it is alright so therefore they are going to go back to it as soon as they start handling the horse again; so my personal opinion is that you teach the horse to handle even this situation in a respectful manner.

Lunging the bad way: I always like to start on the goods side first, allowing the horse to start utilizing the thinking side of their brain. Then establish a starting point, ask for her to go the bad way. When she makes the mistake (normally I would not suggest this) take a second and pause. Ask for the bad direction again. I would not make this into a bigger issue than what it is. Quiet corrections almost as if you are saying "nope that is not what I want" is going to work. She has her reasons for not wanting you on that side. When you find a positive not walk up and rub her down on the side that she has trouble with. I am not saying to tip-toe or coddle her, more just quiet assertiveness.

As for the buddy sour horse I like to approach this carefully. Horses that have herd bound tendencies can be extremely dangerous. So they way I like to start off is training the horse right next to their pasture pal. I also like to do this on the ground ( more to save the horses mouth than anything) I do not want to battle with keeping their attention, accomplishing my goal, and keep them light all at once. After the horse needs to take a moment to catch their breath I will walk them away from their friend. Brush, tie up, pickup their feet, anything that has a purpose that is not physically taxing. I continue this until the horse decides they have enough energy to be missing their friend. Then we go and "hangout" but I keep then busy. This line of thought slowly teaches them that with you is the place to be.

Now I know that you asked about tying them up and my person favorite is to an overhead branch if you have one available. This allows the horse to do just about everything under the sun, and eventually standing still is the idea they prefer.

Things to consider:
Branch is capable of handling abuse

Tie the rope so you can get it undone (things happen, although I have never had anything using this strategy)

Tie it out far enough that the horse has enough room away from the tree so that it can swing around

Hope this helps
     
    05-17-2012, 06:01 PM
  #6
Weanling
Thanks, that helps a lot. I will be searching for a tree that can take some damage tomorrow.


I am now able to catch mrs. Bitchy. Yesterday she stopped in her little leanto thing with her butt to me. I spanked her so she turned her butt away. Then I just stood there and let her look at me and relax. She put her butt to me again, she got spanked again. Then she let me walk up to her, I rubbed her all over and told her what a good girl she was and put the halter on. It only took one spanking today and I had her caught in less than 1 minute. She has decided to be the good horse the past couple days, she is doing great under saddle, so I took her for a walk on the road today so I could see how she did. I introduced her to the mailboxes and trash cans and some other scary objects, she seemed to really enjoy the walk and did not call to her friends once. I didn't take the other once today because she is having some problems with her attitude today.
     
    05-17-2012, 06:16 PM
  #7
Weanling
Mrs. Bitchy.....love it!!! LOL
     
    05-17-2012, 06:31 PM
  #8
Green Broke
I wouldn't totally dismiss treats, just be careful how you use them. They should be used as a reward, not a bribe. Only give the horse something once she is caught.
Maybe take the grain out and walk around shaking it. Get her to follow you and if she tries to run when you put the rope around her neck, just shake the pail and keep walking.
Some horses learn well with treats, however you have to make them DO something for them first.
Also, petting and grooming (anything the horse likes) can be used as a reward.
The goal is for her to see you as a good thing and not a pain who wants to make her do nothing but work. She should be getting something out of your time together as well, even if it's only a couple minutes to graze on the lawn after she's done her work for the day.

As for the other mare and tying, there are many different ways to correct this. Some old horsemen might suggest tying a wooden block to her knee so that it bumps her leg everytime she paws.
I however find it best to untie them when they start pawing and making them work. Run circles, back up, yield, etc. Then eventually (it may take some time) they will understand that standing tied is a good thing because they don't have to work.
     
    05-17-2012, 10:49 PM
  #9
Showing
Also just a note.. if horses are being worked without fun relaxing days in between, they will avoid you like the plague.
     
    05-17-2012, 10:58 PM
  #10
Weanling
I have only worked her 4 days so far. And the past 2 days I took her for a nice relaxing walk afterwards. I'm not taking these horses out on the trails for awhile, they are ticking time bombs. I don't know what the person who started them did to them, but they are just dangerous. Well, the paint isn't as bad, she is just a little hyper and extremely pushy and rude. But the saddlebred...she is one I may need to give up on and tell the owners to find a professional who deals with dangerous horses. If she doesn't like something she either backs up, goes up, takes off or runs sideways. Doesn't matter if I'm on her or not. I rode her for about 5 minutes today in a small circle to keep her from taking off and probably bucking. Then ground drove her the rest of the time. I know my limits, I think this one may be above them. And I know her owners have no business with tis horse, she will kill one of them.
     

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Concerned that my horse ran away with me and I was unable to stop him... ashraowens Horse Training 17 04-14-2012 01:14 PM
Can't catch my horse! jillybean19 Horse Training 41 04-06-2012 02:26 AM
Horse is unable to pee- even after sheath cleaning kcscott85 Horse Health 12 12-31-2011 01:55 PM
Unable to digest hay Hanover Horse Nutrition 21 06-29-2011 10:24 AM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:17 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0