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    08-31-2011, 02:01 PM
  #1
Weanling
unteach behavior

I purchased a great little mare for my step kids (they were tought to ride apperently by an idiot with poor ponies at a stable) I wanted them to enjoy the experienc of riding anywho the little mare rides in a hackamore great I've rode her alot. I have been after kids for being to heavy handed and also giving way to many comands at once ect. Ect....at this point i've pulled them and they can not ride until I figure out how to fix them....however I went out to ride her a bit and all she wants to do is flip her head and back up...she didnt do this prior to the kids riding her..i road her alot prior...now what????how do I help her through this...and back to her old self
     
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    08-31-2011, 02:48 PM
  #2
Started
Unteach

A hackamore works on the nose and if adjusted incorrectly or used harshly it will hurt the horse. My guess is that your step kids have been heavy handed with the reins.

If you set the horse up with a very mild bit - say a French link - and the kids get back on, then they will soon ruin the horse's mouth.

If you can find an old style thick vulcanite bit, which won;t hurt the horse's mouth then the horse might take the bit between its teeth and run off.

It occurs to me that the problem lies with the children - not the horse.

Arrange for them to have some lessons with a competent riding teacher.
Then when they are not jerking the reins, ask a local horse trainer to sort the horse out - with a bridle & bit if necessary.

There are also side pulls and bosals but I suspect the horse will need some reschooling.
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    08-31-2011, 03:46 PM
  #3
Yearling
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Originally Posted by jannette    
I purchased a great little mare for my step kids (they were tought to ride apperently by an idiot with poor ponies at a stable) I wanted them to enjoy the experienc of riding anywho the little mare rides in a hackamore great I've rode her alot. I have been after kids for being to heavy handed and also giving way to many comands at once ect. Ect....at this point i've pulled them and they can not ride until I figure out how to fix them....however I went out to ride her a bit and all she wants to do is flip her head and back up...she didnt do this prior to the kids riding her..i road her alot prior...now what????how do I help her through this...and back to her old self
Unfortunately this happens a lot.. not all that uncommon. I always do what I call over-correcting. So for example she won't stop walking, well make her stop (persistence), but then go a step further by making her back up after the walk. Then as soon as she backs up RELEASE (important!!). Same with turning. She knows how to turn so make her do a nice turn, reward by letting the pressure off when she responds. Then as you go you can become lighter and lighter on your cues, so she will respond better. Ask her to do things you would normally want her to do, but be very picky with her. She must do them correctly every time. Since you KNOW she already knows how to perform under saddle, then you can be a little hard on her and expect more. She will soon turn back into her old self, but it will take some time and training to do it. Start now, and keep the kids off the horse until they know how to control themselves and handle the horse properly.

As far as flipping her head and backing up, I am just about positive they were clinging to the reins and hard on her mouth or nose. Let her have her head, let her do her backing up. She can't back up forever. When she stops moving, praise her. After that, on a loose rein ask for forward movement. If that doesn't work try turning. Always praise her for standing still instead of backing up. Any forward movement, including a turn, should also be praised.
     
    08-31-2011, 05:15 PM
  #4
Weanling
Thank you lakotababii i'll start working with her today..that makes total since..thank you both for the advice it always helps to get second opinion.. and berry godden I found a trainer for the kids that gives private lessons they start wednsday they'll use trainers horse until pass the 1st level and then they can bring their own..im going to take some lesons too ..
     
    08-31-2011, 06:48 PM
  #5
Showing
I used to make heavy handed kids ride my arab in a halter. Worked great. Try riding this little mare in a halter and see if that makes a positive difference.
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    08-31-2011, 09:07 PM
  #6
Showing
I'd get that horse in a leadrope and teach the kids to ride that way until they can stop causing the horse havoc then they stay on the line. Don't let them ride in a hackamore.. halter and reins.
You should ride in a bit if you rather not ride with a halter. A hackamore is brutal... especially when in rough hands. And ride her as Lakota suggested. Praise for her efforts.. she's been manhandled and needs to be taught that it's nice to have someone on her back.

Private lessons? Good plan
     
    09-01-2011, 12:41 AM
  #7
Weanling
Yes the lessons are private...we live in pretty rural area so it was a little hard to find someone but she sounded good uses of clinton porter tech. I beleive is who she said...we go out wed... $30 for 1hr. Plus $5 to use her horse (for kids) and $5 when use indoor areana....1st time I've used people trainer lol is that going rate do you think???that is per person
     
    09-01-2011, 01:40 AM
  #8
Showing
It's pretty good. Usually lessons range from 45-60 so you're on the low end :)
Just make sure she's doing a good job... sit and watch the lessons from time to time.
     
    09-01-2011, 02:12 AM
  #9
Yearling
When my older girls were little I took a pony snaffle and 'bitted them up' - I hooked reins to it and let them hold it in their mouths while I stood behind them and guided them through the room... of course I was extremely gentle and they thought it was fun, so then I took the snaffle and had them hold in in their fist and I jerked the reins... it hurt, and drove home the point of respect for the horse and her feelings with the bit...

I also took a bale of hay, put their saddle on it, and put the bridle on a chair in front of it and let them hold the reins... they practiced cues on this practice horse and learned seat movements, leg movements, and rein positioning while watching tv... much easier to correct movements when you can closely see what they are doing and not worrying about a real live pony...

Their first rides were only in the roundpen so they didn't get scared, and having a balance strap or a saddle horn gave them something to hold onto other than the horses head... their practice work gave them confidence when it came to the real thing....

I'm sure your trainer will have her own tricks, the above ones worked great for us...
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    09-01-2011, 04:25 AM
  #10
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Ace80908    
When my older girls were little I took a pony snaffle and 'bitted them up' - I hooked reins to it and let them hold it in their mouths while I stood behind them and guided them through the room... of course I was extremely gentle and they thought it was fun, so then I took the snaffle and had them hold in in their fist and I jerked the reins... it hurt, and drove home the point of respect for the horse and her feelings with the bit...
Love that! Im the same way! Sometimes they just don't process it until you SHOW them what they are doing! You gave me a great idea for when my son gets old enough to ride solo!
     

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