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        03-14-2013, 11:47 PM
      #11
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Black Beauty 94    
    Great- thank you!
    Yes, I try too. If I let him canter along the rail then towered the end he will be going too fast by the time he gets to the short end of the arena that he completely falls in.
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    Try cantering him only in large 20m circles. Work on making them bigger and smaller as he gets better at cantering. Straight aways make it easier for the horse... and while he's still working on his gaits I would stick to circles. Not small enough to hurt his joints, but vary them.

    Also while you trot, make sure you aren't just sticking to the rail. Do lots of figures :)
         
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        03-15-2013, 12:00 AM
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    Shouldn't you put this on the gaited forum? I mean, if he is a gaited horse, he should be judged with that in mind. He wont' "trot" quite the same, and usually gaited hroses dont' canter as easily, either.
    How does he gait?
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        03-15-2013, 12:02 AM
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    Showing
    Tinyliny, one of the horses I worked with was gaited. The tension I am seeing isn't just due to the fact he is gaited.
         
        03-15-2013, 12:20 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    I guess you could, but I just want suggestions in general. He physically trots the same but it feels different lol
    Thanks!
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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    Shouldn't you put this on the gaited forum? I mean, if he is a gaited horse, he should be judged with that in mind. He wont' "trot" quite the same, and usually gaited hroses dont' canter as easily, either.
    How does he gait?
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        03-15-2013, 12:20 AM
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    Weanling
    Oh and he just trots under saddle
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        03-15-2013, 12:21 AM
      #16
    Weanling
    Thank you so much!!!
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    Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
    Try cantering him only in large 20m circles. Work on making them bigger and smaller as he gets better at cantering. Straight aways make it easier for the horse... and while he's still working on his gaits I would stick to circles. Not small enough to hurt his joints, but vary them.

    Also while you trot, make sure you aren't just sticking to the rail. Do lots of figures :)
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        03-15-2013, 08:32 AM
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    If he is a gaited horse? They typically do not do well cantering on the lunge line. And not sure why you are wanting this anyway.

    Canter him under saddle, but stick to trot/walk on lunge.

    They easily interfere with themselves on line, so for that reason, they are rarely cantered on line.
         
        03-15-2013, 06:03 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Alot of people have the idea that gaited horses cannot canter, though this isn't true.
    I have just been cantering him to get him uses to being in the gait and circle work. Wanting what? Cantering-- he canters the same way under saddle.
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    Originally Posted by Palomine    
    If he is a gaited horse? They typically do not do well cantering on the lunge line. And not sure why you are wanting this anyway.

    Canter him under saddle, but stick to trot/walk on lunge.

    They easily interfere with themselves on line, so for that reason, they are rarely cantered on line.
         
        03-15-2013, 06:30 PM
      #19
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    To me it seems like, especially in the beginning videos, you are not being consistant with him when it comes to asking him to transition. You're basically asking and asking him to do something, then when he finally does respond and half way starts to do it, you praise him and let him drop back down before you authorize him to, then you tell him to do it which basically reinforces that its 'ok' to do what he wants on the lunge. I appologize if I'm wrong, its hard to tell if I'm not seeing your body movements and only jittery videos of the horse.

    He can not learn to balance himself if you only make him take a few canter steps on the lunge. The best way to get him to balance himself is to let him figure his feet out without interferance, but MAKE HIM MOVE. You have no control whatsoever when it comes to how fast he is moving at each gait, and he knows it. His walk is barely even a walk half of the time...just sort of a sluggish 'ehhhh, if you say so lady...' walk. His trot is strung out and keeps changing from rediculously speedy and jumbled up to slow and careless. His canter is nonexistant...I really can't see anything besides that he canters like most every gaited horse I've ever seen, because you aren't making him keep it up. If you ask him for something, make him do it, no verbal praises. Just slack off the pressure behind him a little as his reward. If he tries to break gait, increase the pressure sharply, then back down again.

    Before all of the canter work though, please loose the side reins. I realize that they aren't very tight but a horse as unbalanced as he is has no use for them except for to brace against, which is only going to cause problems. Then, go back to walk-trot transitions. As him to trot, and get him going at his usual saddle speed, and don't let him slack off. Don't let him slow down to a 'crawling' trot either. You want a steady speed. Once he has been in that speed for a few laps, he'll begin to relax and stretch out his muscles, lower his head, and push with his butt. You're worrying him with all of your constant changing of signals, and I think that is a LOT of the tenseness that we're seeing in the videos. Once he relaxes and has gone at a relaxed but active trot for a few laps, ask him to walk. IMO you should just ask for one speed of each gait...'medium gas'...before trying to teach him to vary his speeds. Just remember, when he's trying to transition from a crazy 'OHLAWDWHEREAREMYFEET' trot, he's going to transition to a 'OHLAWDMYFEETARETANGLEDANDIWILLFALLONMYFACE' canter. But if he approaches his canter with a level headed, relaxed trot, chances are his canter will be much better as well.

    Long story short? Yes, he looks somewhat better as compared to the first videos. No, he isn't balanced. Yes, I think you would both benefit from someone else videoing you so you can concentrate and possibly getting some lunging lessons, and no I don't think his problem is atypical of gaited horses. It can be fixed though. He needs bigger circles too. 20' radius or bigger. Don't try 'bringing him in' until you have him moving forwards forward forwards with a relaxed outline. Otherwise all you're going to do is stress him out and undo any other training he has.


    Please do note that anything I say is only to be helpful, not to criticize you as his trainer or rider. I've had quite the adventure teaching our ASB/TWH (we really arent 100% sure which she is. LOL) what 'trot' and 'canter' mean! It does NOT mean barrel around like a freight train, going faster if you feel like you're going to fall! Took months and months of circle, figure eight, and serpentine work just to get her to slow down and stop tripping on herself. Even longer to teach her that she could actually switch leads ;)
         
        03-15-2013, 07:10 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Thank you, thank you!
    "You're basically asking and asking him to do something, then when he finally does respond and half way starts to do it, you praise him and let him drop back down before you authorize him to, then you tell him to do it which basically reinforces that its 'ok' to do what he wants on the lunge."

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    SO I need to have him going in the canter for longer? Because after a few strides he will start with his bunny hopping/cross firing. (Sorry about the moving in the videos, it is very hard for me to hold 3 things at once ;)

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    The best way to get him to balance himself is to let him figure his feet out without interferance, but MAKE HIM MOVE."

    - So keep him in the canter even when he is moving all his legs around?

    "His walk is barely even a walk half of the time...just sort of a sluggish 'ehhhh, if you say so lady...' walk."

    -I agree it was in that video, I do usually walk him faster, sorry about that.

    "His trot is strung out and keeps changing from rediculously speedy and jumbled up to slow and careless."

    -I agree it was too (in that video) and we have began working on that since then. But he is so nervous and hyped up from cantering, when he transitions down, he is fast anyway. How would you suggest getting him to come down slower immediately?

    "I really can't see anything besides that he canters like most every gaited horse I've ever seen, because you aren't making him keep it up. If you ask him for something, make him do it, no verbal praises."

    -Thank you for this! I do need to not let him run over me, because I know I try to be "nice" and that doesn't work. I carry a crop with me when I ride and he is better.

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    Once he relaxes and has gone at a relaxed but active trot for a few laps, ask him to walk. IMO you should just ask for one speed of each gait...'medium gas'...before trying to teach him to vary his speeds. "

    -Alot of the varying speed on the lounge is just him, I just try to keep him moving but that is something I should work on.

    "when he's trying to transition from a crazy 'OHLAWDWHEREAREMYFEET' trot, he's going to transition to a 'OHLAWDMYFEETARETANGLEDANDIWILLFALLONMYFACE' canter. But if he approaches his canter with a level headed, relaxed trot, chances are his canter will be much better as well."

    -You mean just getting faster control over him right before and after the canter transition?





    You have helped me out so much-thank you! With the canter, it is crazy anyway, so how would I relax him when he is already uptight and worrying about where his feet are?



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