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post #31 of 41 Old 03-26-2013, 09:52 PM
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Just from experience having a Walking Horse- they tend to not do well lunging or in a round pen. To gait they need to be straight and 'tucked'- and its difficult in a circle situation. After a few tries with my guy I just abandoned lunging altogether and rode exclusively, or worked him on the lead rope, walking him.

I've seen a few Walkers that were unable to canter at all due to their conformation. However, a lot of times if you are patient, you can allow them to gain the necessary muscle to canter freely without going into a gallop. For my guy it took a solid month of every day work.
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post #32 of 41 Old 03-26-2013, 10:10 PM
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I believe a couple other people said something similar, but not exactly - that in all of these videos, there is a click or a kiss sound every couple of seconds. This is what trainers mean by "nagging the horse" - you ask, and ask, and ask, and ask.. it is desensitizing the horse to the cue, so they listen to it less and less. It becomes white noise to them, basically.

You ask, then you tell. A funny older gent on youtube David Archer goes through this process of "please" and he gives a cue, then "pretty please" which is a stronger version of the cue, then finally "with sugar on top" which is usually a little whack on the bum/shoulder/chest (whatever area he is trying to drive). My stubborn gelding always needs the sugar stage, but usually only a couple times XD then it's just a "please" from then on.

I love this quote: What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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post #33 of 41 Old 03-26-2013, 10:53 PM
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Ask tell demand I always say, same way I raise my kids.
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post #34 of 41 Old 03-30-2013, 10:16 PM Thread Starter
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Sorry I didn't reply sooner!! We lost a few good rides but he finally centered (free lounging) WITHOUT cross firing, going to the right!!! To the left (his worse way) he did alot better too!!! So happy!
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post #35 of 41 Old 03-30-2013, 10:17 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for the info!
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Just from experience having a Walking Horse- they tend to not do well lunging or in a round pen. To gait they need to be straight and 'tucked'- and its difficult in a circle situation. After a few tries with my guy I just abandoned lunging altogether and rode exclusively, or worked him on the lead rope, walking him.

I've seen a few Walkers that were unable to canter at all due to their conformation. However, a lot of times if you are patient, you can allow them to gain the necessary muscle to canter freely without going into a gallop. For my guy it took a solid month of every day work.
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post #36 of 41 Old 03-30-2013, 10:18 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks! Yes, I have been working him 3 days a week for 8 months and he is finally getting it!! :)
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Just from experience having a Walking Horse- they tend to not do well lunging or in a round pen. To gait they need to be straight and 'tucked'- and its difficult in a circle situation. After a few tries with my guy I just abandoned lunging altogether and rode exclusively, or worked him on the lead rope, walking him.

I've seen a few Walkers that were unable to canter at all due to their conformation. However, a lot of times if you are patient, you can allow them to gain the necessary muscle to canter freely without going into a gallop. For my guy it took a solid month of every day work.
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post #37 of 41 Old 03-30-2013, 10:19 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you, I agree. That is something that we talked about earlier in this threat that I need to get him to respect me more. He has been doing much better!
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I believe a couple other people said something similar, but not exactly - that in all of these videos, there is a click or a kiss sound every couple of seconds. This is what trainers mean by "nagging the horse" - you ask, and ask, and ask, and ask.. it is desensitizing the horse to the cue, so they listen to it less and less. It becomes white noise to them, basically.

You ask, then you tell. A funny older gent on youtube David Archer goes through this process of "please" and he gives a cue, then "pretty please" which is a stronger version of the cue, then finally "with sugar on top" which is usually a little whack on the bum/shoulder/chest (whatever area he is trying to drive). My stubborn gelding always needs the sugar stage, but usually only a couple times XD then it's just a "please" from then on.

I love this quote: What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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post #38 of 41 Old 04-02-2013, 09:18 PM Thread Starter
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Hi Everyone,
Just another little update!
I lounged him one day last week (for the fun of it), and since no one was in the ring I then free lounged him and he didn't CROSSFIRE!!!! It was so amazing to see! He did it twice to the right and then switched back on the correct lead and only 3 times of switching to the Left! He has been doing really well and I am very happy :) I am having a vet look at him again to make sure that nothing is wrong/ a better medication for him but things seem to be really looking on the upside for us. Thank you so much for all your help
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post #39 of 41 Old 07-11-2013, 09:48 PM Thread Starter
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UPDATE 7/11

Ugh, sorry I haven't been on for so long... it has been a rollar coaster. I got his hocks injected in May and stifle scraping mid last month. We also radiographed him and everything looks wondering. Willy does have locking stifles, so the ve thinks that may be part of the reason for the canter but also because he doesn't know how to engage himself at the canter.

The scraping of the patella and injecting steriods was somewhat effective but he still has it, though it is also the engagement.

Honest to god, his trot is so much better thanks to everyone's help! It is relaxed, slow and his head has fallen right into place!

I am just wondering now, why he is still crossfiring? I mean, he has so much better control over himself and he canters up hills perfectly... it is a little frustarating, do you think a shoe in back would help get his feet up a little more and help him?

Thanks so much everyone, your life savers!!


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Glad to hear his trot is coming along! I don't think that shoes will help him in the back, but I guess you could always talk about corrective trimming or shoeing with your farrier and have his feet evaluated. Sometimes it is very tiny things that set something off to 'weird' and when we figure out what those things are we almost want to smack our heads and go 'That's IT? Why didn't I think of that?!'

You'll figure it out. Just keep working him slowly and methodically and hopefully he'll start to 'feel' when he's messing up his legs. Remember though that he is older, so theres always the possibly that he's just doing it out of habit.

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