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        09-02-2010, 12:59 PM
      #21
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    True.

    But if her horse is in a 20 plus herd, then there should be no mass exodus at feeding time. She should go get her own horse and make him behave.
    I only have him and the mini. The mini is very well behaved and walks into her stall. He is very competitive also (being an OTT STB) She came in first one night and he came barreling in and did a sliding stop right into the wall of his stall. Does he learn? NO! I will need to buy a whip to use as he fears them since he came from the track. Thanks everyone for the help! I really do need to establish myself as the alpha which is hard because I want my horses to love me
         
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        09-02-2010, 01:09 PM
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    Originally Posted by Horseychick94    
    I only have him and the mini. The mini is very well behaved and walks into her stall. He is very competitive also (being an OTT STB) She came in first one night and he came barreling in and did a sliding stop right into the wall of his stall. Does he learn? NO! I will need to buy a whip to use as he fears them since he came from the track. Thanks everyone for the help! I really do need to establish myself as the alpha which is hard because I want my horses to love me
    Please, don't use the whip if he fears it, at least not till you'll desensitize him to the whip. If he runs for food back him up, slap his chest and growl, etc. But if he's afraid of whips you'll have lots of problems down the road because he'll be even more fearful (and who knows you MAY need to carry whip when you ride). May be work with him in arena or round pen to establish the respect first. And please, stay safe!
         
        09-02-2010, 01:10 PM
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    I really do need to establish myself as the alpha which is hard because I want my horses to love me
    I want respect first, affection second. Heck, I'll even settle for just respect.

    Horses do not think like people. They way they look at it, if you're letting them get away with something, you're obviously lower on the herd pecking order than they are.

    Horses do not love like people do, so get that out of your head. Letting them be bad only means you're allowing them to terrorize you.

    Disciplining them sets boundaries, just like children. Like children, letting them get away with murder doesn't make them love you any more than disciplining them makes them hate you.
         
        09-02-2010, 02:48 PM
      #24
    Yearling
    I lead Rookie in both for morning and evening feedings...even if it's just with a rope around his neck. When he started getting pushy when coming in, I got a broken broom handle and held it under the arm that I hold the lead rope with. When he started trying to drag me or step in front of me, I'd give him a couple of smacks with it in the chest area. He couldn't see that I was doing it because of the way I was holding it. It didn't take him long to learn that dragging me or trying to go in front of me is definitely not a good thing. Every now and then when he tries to revert back to old habits, I simply do it again.

    Rosie on the other hand, walks in calmly behind Rookie,without the lead, and goes straight into her stall and starts eating. I ALWAYS put her grain in before letting her in because of her "digging to China" habit that I can't seem to break.

    I would never hit them in the head or face with any object while teaching them something though. One of the weekends I was gone, the BO hit her in the face with a wooden spoon because of her pawing while waiting for the grain. She was head shy for the next month. Although, I would give a quick firm slap on the nose if one were trying to bite me.
         
        09-02-2010, 06:20 PM
      #25
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    Originally Posted by Horseychick94    
    I only have him and the mini. The mini is very well behaved and walks into her stall. He is very competitive also (being an OTT STB) She came in first one night and he came barreling in and did a sliding stop right into the wall of his stall. Does he learn? NO! I will need to buy a whip to use as he fears them since he came from the track. Thanks everyone for the help! I really do need to establish myself as the alpha which is hard because I want my horses to love me
    Ok, if the horse was so stupid as to actually hit the wall and then still not correct his behavior, I don't think a whip is going to do it. After all, what if YOU were the wall? Yikes! This part of the story concerns me. How could he do that once and then come barreling in again another time? Not good.

    I would close the door as was previously mentioned and call for supper. Now you can use a tool to define your space and territory because YOU can get out of his way if need be and he won't smack himself on something. But I would advise you to stand your ground unless you are in danger. When he stands quietly, put a halter on and lead him in. I couldn't be bothered walking to my horses. I always call them, and they sometimes run towards me, but they always slow to a walk many yards away from me. If they didn't (I had one I had to train), I defended my space long before it wass dangerous. At about 15 yards (?) I made myself big (with a swinging rope, stick, whip, my arms, whatever I had). If that didn't work RIGHT AWAY I followed up with a very loud and firm voice "SETTLE DOWN". If she still came too close before slowing down I would chase her away until she could approach me properly.

    I call my horses for supper. They come in quietly. I remind them to go to their "places" if they start to play musical feed boxes. They stand back from their feeders until I move away. Food is never in the barn already. They must wait for me to put it there and if they push at it when I'm dumping it in, they get bumped on the nose. My dogs are trained the same way. Sit first. Dump food. When I say "OK", then they can eat, not before.
         
        09-02-2010, 07:35 PM
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    Please, don't use the whip if he fears it, at least not till you'll desensitize him to the whip. If he runs for food back him up, slap his chest and growl, etc.

    The whip is simply used as an arm extension. If he is barreling in rudely and not stopping for walls, a slap on the chest is A. Dangerous and B. Not enough, he'll take her right out if she's close enough to hit with her hand.

    I would still demand his attention with the whip and that he stop and WAIT or walk in nicely. As I said, be sure you raise ONE arm so you're taller than he is (observe young colt behavior...) use the other to whap him and yell something.


    Ok, if the horse was so stupid as to actually hit the wall and then still not correct his behavior, I don't think a whip is going to do it.

    The point is that she needs to respond like a boss horse. The wall WOULDN'T work and doesn't surprise me a bit that it didn't. Think about it, he slid into a wall accidentally, no harm done. Horses kick the snot out of each other and walk away like nothing happened, a face plant into a wall isn't exactly going to end his behavior... I'm sure he isn't hitting the wall daily, he most likely learned NOT to hit the wall and to hit the breaks a little sooner - nothing more. The wall isn't training a horse :)
    The whip should stop him, a sharp slap is like the sting of a bite from another horse. Her arm in the air makes her taller than him which will slow him down, yelling is her very clear way of stating ABSOLUTELY NOT, we AREN'T doing this, I AM in charge and I said NO!
    If he does sneak by, chase him OUT and make him run around until he is ready to WALK in like a gentlemen, again, you're the boss, the boss would chase him until he asks to stop.




         
        09-02-2010, 08:35 PM
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    Originally Posted by NorthernMama    
    Ok, if the horse was so stupid as to actually hit the wall and then still not correct his behavior, I don't think a whip is going to do it. After all, what if YOU were the wall? Yikes! This part of the story concerns me. How could he do that once and then come barreling in again another time? Not good.

    I would close the door as was previously mentioned and call for supper. Now you can use a tool to define your space and territory because YOU can get out of his way if need be and he won't smack himself on something. But I would advise you to stand your ground unless you are in danger. When he stands quietly, put a halter on and lead him in. I couldn't be bothered walking to my horses. I always call them, and they sometimes run towards me, but they always slow to a walk many yards away from me. If they didn't (I had one I had to train), I defended my space long before it wass dangerous. At about 15 yards (?) I made myself big (with a swinging rope, stick, whip, my arms, whatever I had). If that didn't work RIGHT AWAY I followed up with a very loud and firm voice "SETTLE DOWN". If she still came too close before slowing down I would chase her away until she could approach me properly.

    I call my horses for supper. They come in quietly. I remind them to go to their "places" if they start to play musical feed boxes. They stand back from their feeders until I move away. Food is never in the barn already. They must wait for me to put it there and if they push at it when I'm dumping it in, they get bumped on the nose. My dogs are trained the same way. Sit first. Dump food. When I say "OK", then they can eat, not before.

    ^this. My horse respects me and I think the problem is that he is claustrophobic. I have a hallway in the barn and he used to barrel through if I wasn't in front of him. I think instead of moving when he comes in, I can stand in front of the doorway and have him follow me in. I know it sounds dangerous but he DOES respect me and is petrified of whips. I am going to start working with him with claustrophobia. I just thought of that because he even does that through gates and stuff. I saw a really positive result by waiting until they come in to pour the grain
         
        09-02-2010, 09:37 PM
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    Originally Posted by New_image    
    The whip is simply used as an arm extension. If he is barreling in rudely and not stopping for walls, a slap on the chest is A. Dangerous and B. Not enough, he'll take her right out if she's close enough to hit with her hand
    It is. But if the horse really fears something it's not always a good idea to use that particular "something" to train out of bad habits. Unless you put some work in it and will TEACH him its an extension of the arm, not something you'll just smack him with. If the horse fears the blue tarp you are not going to take it with you and shoo the horse away. If he truly fears the whip and whip will be used to shoo him away from the gate, he may not tolerate the whip if you get on him to ride.
         
        09-02-2010, 09:43 PM
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    Originally Posted by Horseychick94    
    ^this. My horse respects me and I think the problem is that he is claustrophobic. I have a hallway in the barn and he used to barrel through if I wasn't in front of him. I think instead of moving when he comes in, I can stand in front of the doorway and have him follow me in. I know it sounds dangerous but he DOES respect me and is petrified of whips. I am going to start working with him with claustrophobia. I just thought of that because he even does that through gates and stuff. I saw a really positive result by waiting until they come in to pour the grain
    This is complete different problem. Friend of mine (who worked with John Lyons) put up barrels in stall to make it really narrow, or next to the barn wall leaving just narrow path, and walks and backs up the horse through.
         
        09-03-2010, 11:49 AM
      #30
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    This is complete different problem. Friend of mine (who worked with John Lyons) put up barrels in stall to make it really narrow, or next to the barn wall leaving just narrow path, and walks and backs up the horse through.
    Oh cool! I could try that!
         

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