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    04-18-2011, 11:21 AM
  #1
Foal
Using a Figure 8 bridle on a still green horse

Hi everyone,
The title pretty much explains what i'm asking, they always talk about figure 8 being in the jumper ring, well can it be used on a greener horse? I had bought one a while ago.. for another horse and its practicly new and I was thinking of putting it on my guy. He's not super green were working around 3 foot, and I thought changing it up may be good for him. Just wanted some input.

Thanks
     
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    04-18-2011, 11:34 AM
  #2
Foal
"Changing it up" is not a good enough reason to switch nosebands. If he doesn't fight his current noseband, leave it be.

On the other hand, if he's running around with his mouth open and fighting the bit (that is, if you have good hands, and it's not because you're also hauling on his mouth) in a cavesson or flash, then a grackle can be a good thing because there's nothing to brace against (it basically moves too much, like a loose ring vs. eggbutt - most horses don't like leaning on loose rings because they slip).

The horse I've just started is in a drop noseband (adjusted correctly with 2 finger clearance underneath) to stop him forming any sort of bit evasion habit, not to crank his mouth shut, but he has accepted the bit well and hasn't attempted to evade yet.
     
    04-18-2011, 12:07 PM
  #3
Showing
If I'm not mistaken and if memory serves me right, a figure 8 is actually used to help hold the bit in place and not to keep your horse's mouth shut. That being the case, it should be fine.
     
    04-18-2011, 12:45 PM
  #4
Trained
Figure 8's are meant for horses who like to cross their jaws to evade the bit.
     
    04-18-2011, 12:59 PM
  #5
Foal
Ok, Thanks everyone for your input. I do knowtice with my guy he trys to evade the bit alot, we are really working on getting him to accept the bit and contact. I have him in a twisted full cheek at the moment because he can get strong at times especially jumping. Does anyone have any other suggestions on bits to or is the full cheek still a good idea for a horse like him? ( as you can tell I'm really not super educated when it comes to bits I just go more from what my trainer says but I wonder if another type of bit would encourge him to accept the bit and come into contact)
     
    04-18-2011, 01:10 PM
  #6
Started
MIE's definition is correct.

Using a fig 8 is a short term fix, not a proper correction for improper training imo. I say this all the time, but I am a firm believer that a horse should be able to flat in the simplest of tack possible. Having something like a fig 8 or running martingale for safety in highly intense situations imo is fine but as an all the time piece of riding equipment it tells me that there's a hole in the training somewhere. I know, I know i'm a bit of a stickler on this lol!
     
    04-18-2011, 01:11 PM
  #7
Trained
Dressage, dressage, dressage, dressage is what is going to fix him being strong. No bit will encourage him to come into contact - proper riding will, education and training will.

Jumping is dressage with speed bumps - the most important factor to jumping is what you do between the fences. No bit or noseband is going to establish a horse light to your aids, a nice controlled, rounded rhythm - only continuous, persistant, dilligent and educated work on the flat will.
     
    04-18-2011, 01:13 PM
  #8
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by CJ82Sky    
MIE's definition is correct.

Using a fig 8 is a short term fix, not a proper correction for improper training imo. I say this all the time, but I am a firm believer that a horse should be able to flat in the simplest of tack possible. Having something like a fig 8 or running martingale for safety in highly intense situations imo is fine but as an all the time piece of riding equipment it tells me that there's a hole in the training somewhere. I know, I know i'm a bit of a stickler on this lol!
We posted at the same time I greatly agree - gadgets like Twisted Full Cheeks, Running Martingales, Flash Nosebands, Figure 8's and etc, etc, etc are only quick fixes to bandaid the issues that are trying to rear its ugly head......holes in training........they are great gadgets when needed for a particular time in need, but not for coninuous riding on a regular basis.

As David O'Connor says - "Train at home in a snaffle, use what you need at a comp to get the job done"
     

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