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post #1 of 39 Old 08-23-2013, 01:35 PM Thread Starter
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Using a wire nose band

So last week I watched my new trainer ride on of his sale horses. I noticed that the bridle had a makeshift wire nose band. At first I was taken back, using a wire to discourage a horse from opening his mouth seems wrong in the heat of the moment. I continued to watch and then I had a change of heart. I don't think its ideal, but I also didn't think it was totally heinous either. The wire was not thin, it was not tight (i could easily fit 3 fingers in there) and he is not a harsh trainer.

Like I said, after thinking it over its probably not the worst thing in the world, but I'm still unsure. What's you feeling?
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post #2 of 39 Old 08-23-2013, 01:42 PM
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It's probably like a stud chain on a lead rope or spurs. It's there in case you need it but not used if you don't.
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I feel the same way about them as I do 90% of other "training aids" If you need one in order to control the horse, then there are holes in your training that need to be addressed. Don't hide it behind a tool. If the horse is so strong that it "needs" a wire noseband, then it needs to be backed up to basics and worked through it, not have a band-aid slapped on it.

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My feeling? Nosebands should not keep a horse's mouth closed, period. Or discourage head-tossing. Find the reason behind the horse gaping/tossing its head.
I love the look of Grackle and crank nosebands, but never do them up tight. If the horse is gaping or tossing its head, there's a reason.
I hate the idea of wire nosebands, or studded nosebands.
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I don't think this horse necessarily needed it, his mouth was closed the entire time, he wasn't at all strong (in fact very light in the mouth) and he didn't toss his head. I would compare the wire to a crank, its not forcing the horse to do anything as it is very loose. IMO it looks like it was there discourage more then control. If it was actually holding the mouth shut I'd say heck no.
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What's the difference? Sure it isn't cranked tight, but it still uses pain if the horse does start to gape.
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If it's so loose it doesn't do anything - why does he bother to put it on? Too lazy to switch him to a flat noseband?
If it's tied tight he's hiding holes in their training.
Either way it doesn't need to be on the horse. Tight or loose, doesn't make the tool something worth using.
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I suppose that my biggest question is this: Why was a simple leather cavesson or noseband not enough? Why did he have to make the bigger step up to something that would cause pain if the horse did contact it?

IME, if a horse is gaping to avoid the bit, then it's 99% of the time, a rider problem. I'd be taking a lot closer look at how that trainer did things.
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When you tighten a crank nose band its thight no matter what the horse is doing. This wire is only going to activate when a horse opens his mouth a significant amount. Also, I'd say it doesnt cause any more pain than any other training aide... Bit, chain lead, whip, spurs, etc.

I guess my main concern is the ethics and whether or not to stop taking lessons because of it.
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I suppose that my biggest question is this: Why was a simple leather cavesson or noseband not enough? Why did he have to make the bigger step up to something that would cause pain if the horse did contact it?

IME, if a horse is gaping to avoid the bit, then it's 99% of the time, a rider problem. I'd be taking a lot closer look at how that trainer did things.
Idk, good question. Convenience? Effectiveness? Maybe that's how he's always done it (he is an older man, 60's ish)?
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