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post #11 of 28 Old 11-05-2009, 03:45 PM
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It is all a bunch of he said/she said.
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But he's here with me and he wont be handled in a harsh way like that ever again. He needs kindness, not a whip.
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I know it's a bunch of crap, I wish trainers had to get a degree in training horses, but it's so hard to have a set standards when it comes to that sort of stuff. There's too many people in this world mistreating animals, I just don't understand it, maybe I'm just stupid or something, I dont know
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Okay, so she sent you that e-mail, and yet you said in your very first post that she NEVER went to see the horse while he was at the trainer's.

So if that's the case, how would she have known all of this was taking place?

From everything that's written, it sure as heck doesn't seem like this horse is so much afraid, as he's been allowed to get away with bad behaviour.

He doesn't like to be bitted, so she rode him in sidepulls. He hated being girthed, so she quit riding him. He kicked, so she stopped messing with him.

Sounds to me like he's a brat, and just needs to go to a good trainer who can set him straight on just who is at the top of the food chain. Hint; it ain't him!

No way I'd have taken on a rearer, biter, or kicker, and to have it all in ONE horse? Oh hell no!

You're in way over your head with this beast, and unless you send him to a professional, you're likely to get your head kicked off.

Stop making excuses for him and get him professional training, or he'll be on a slaughter bound truck once you've gotten yourself hurt, or worse, dead.

There are far too many good, kind, sane horses out there for you to get killed over this one.

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post #15 of 28 Old 11-05-2009, 03:52 PM
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I understand you frustration, I feel sorry for the horse, he had a crappy previous owner by the sounds of it and may of had a bad experience at the trainers.

You have your work cut out for you. I hope your starting at square one and have enlisted the help of a good trainer.

The problem with a horse like this, that has issues up the wazoo, is that it takes an experienced person to turn them around.

I've seen well meaning people take on a horse like this and 6 months later after they've gotten no where the horse is back on the market onto his next bad human relationship.

Good luck

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But I've already gotten him to tie in the barn aisle, Tacking up normally, Ridden him safely, and he doesn't have a mean bone in his body now. He's super sweet!

I am VERY against slaughter and would never allow that to happen, in this state I'm pretty sure it's illegal to slaughter a horse. Not sure though so I could be wrong, but this horse isn't going anywhere and he hasn't shown me a sign of aggression once except towards the other horses when they bug him, for example I have a mini stallion who bites his neck and halter and doesn't let go till glyder nips him back, which is usually a minute or two, but he pins his ears and nips, he doesn't attack.

And he's not a beast, he's a beautiful appy who happens to have had a rough past and needs help.
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What i'm thinking of doing is getting a friend of mine who trains her horses with Natural Horsemanship and having her help me with the training. I'm thinking of starting with groundwork of desensitizing and very basic stuff then work my way up. Does that sound like a good plan? Just take it very slow and let him know I'm not here to eat him or kill him.
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I refer to all animals as 'beast' here and there. Doesn't mean anything derogatory.

Wait, so now he's a perfect angel for you? How did you manage that, if he's been so abused in his past? Horses that have truly been abused take a lot of time and effort to turn around.

If he kills or disables you, you won't have a choice where he goes, is what I'm saying.

Instead of some 'friend' who does NH, I'd suggest a true professional. You know, someone who actually trains horses for a living.

I've had horses for over 30 years, and have no delusions about being a trainer. I'm a horse owner and rider, not a trainer. Which is why all of mine go to a professional when they need training or a tune up.

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I didn't say hes perfect but I'm saying I'm not about to give up just yet! I've had him a month, he went to a rehab center for 3 months so it's been about 5+ months since the trainer incident. So it hasn't been an extremely short time, I'm out there everyday, sometimes all day with him so It's been alot of hard work to get him where he is. Sometimes he still gets cinchy, he still seems to wanna blow his stomach out when girthing, but it's progress to just not have him rolling in the cross ties, which he did even on his way to my place and he cut his eye and leg, both have already healed. I feel like I'm being pressured, if you don't believe me then don't. It's okay I'm not offended.
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But I've already gotten him to tie in the barn aisle, Tacking up normally, Ridden him safely, and he doesn't have a mean bone in his body now. He's super sweet!
You just said this, and now you're saying he sometimes reverts.

The reason I'm confused is because you're all over the place with your comments.

First, he's been abused and nobody can get near him, then he's a sweetie and you've ridden him safely, and now you're saying that he really still is spooky and untrusting.

Seriously, whether you've had this horse 3 days or 3 months, he really does need a professional trainer to turn him around, not your 'friend who does NH'.

Sweet or not, this horse has issues that you and your friend shouldn't be trying to tackle. He needs to go to someone who's been working with horses a very long time, and has a proven record of success.

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