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post #1 of 15 Old 02-13-2009, 06:52 PM Thread Starter
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Very Bad Mannered Horse

I used to ride Frisk alllll the time a few years ago, before I had to stop riding. I recently restarted a few months ago, and I had Frisk recently again for my lesson. He has always been extremely bad tempered, but he got better after I had been riding him a few months.

He is soooo girthy. Don't even think about trying to put on the saddle when someone isnt holding his head or he isnt tied up, he spins around so fast and snaps his head out like a snake. He will bite, he isn't just trying to scare you. He also doesnt like his hooves being picked. And it isnt just in the stall, try to adjust his girth in the ring or even while on him and be prepared to move fast.

He is also mean to other horses, he has no friends in the field and don't even think about leading your horse past him when he is in a stall. Everyone is always like, "Uh oh, here comes Frisk", and grabs their cross tied horses and drags them to the sides of the aisle while Frisk's leader sprints past so as not to give him time to kick the horses.

He is good to humans when not being tacked, and he has no problem with being untacked, or having the saddle or bridle put on. It's just the girth and anytime he thinks you are reaching for the girth, like when you pull down the stirrups or roll them up.

Is there some way I can teach him to stop? He really is a great riding horse (if you ride light, otherwise he tries to buck you off) and it makes me sad to see everyone terrified of him, even though he does deserve his reputation. I think my barn owner would let me work with him to try to "fix" him, I just need to know how to do it. Sorry for the essay, thanks in advance!
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post #2 of 15 Old 02-13-2009, 06:57 PM
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I would be checking for pain. Maybe you should treat him for ulcers. Get a chiropractor and equine massage therapist out. Also triple check your saddle and bridle/bit fit.
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They have a chiropracter and massage person who come in once a month and she has determined that he isn't sore or anything, just mean and able to get away with it for too long :P
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I feel sorry for that poor animal. It's one of those situations where you have to feel sorry for the poor animal because he's gotten that way only because of how he was treated and handled by us at one point.

I have never dealt with a horse that has that issue yet but here is what I would do. Having him tied, and having someone he likes standing next to him, I would give him some sweet feed, or something that he will view as a treat. Put the saddle on and ever so slowly tighten the girth. I mean by that, do a little at a time.
The purpose of this is not for him to be tacked up and for a ride (in fact do this only for the excercise and don't ride him afterwards)but to teach him that he can re-learn to be ok with it, that in the right hands he will see getting tacked up is not as bad as he was once shown.

Not sure how much time you have to do this, but a period of 1-2 or longer, whatever it takes for time and with patience you can teach him it's not all that bad.

As I said tho, I have never taught a horse it's ok to get a girth put on. Do it VERY slowly and only baby steps at a time. Talk to him, pat him, teach him he can trust you. Something like this will probably take a few weeks of rehab back into something that is ok for him.

When I had to teach Cobalt getting caught was ok, I would catch him, take him out of his field, tied him then feed him some sweet feed. While he ate I brushed him, petted him, talked to him. With time and lots of patience and loving on my part, he realised that being caught was A-OK. He now comes to the gate when you call him and he'll put his own head in the halter if you open it in front of him

There are no problem horses, only problem riders/handlers (not specifying this to you obviously as you are the fixer in this situation).

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that's what I was thinking, like going out to catch him, grooming him and giving him some treats, and just bonding with him for a while then putting him back. Do this for a little bit then start doing the girth, and maybe after he is tacked up just walking around with him, like taking him for a walk around the property. I remember when we were close when I used to ride him a lot, I was almost at the point that I could tack him without even tying him up if I went slow enough.
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Thats what I was thinking, like going out to catch him, grooming him and giving him some treats, and just bonding with him for a while then putting him back. Do this for a little bit then start doing the girth, and maybe after he is tacked up just walking around with him, like taking him for a walk around the property. I remember when we were close when I used to ride him a lot, I was almost at the point that I could tack him without even tying him up if I went slow enough.
I don't know what your horse experience is so please bear with me, not trying to talk down to you, I just don't know you but make sure with feeding anything that you do so AFTER you have done what it is you are doing.

The biggest mistake people make is to hand feed when you go catch a horse, or right as you are doing something or even before. As in the situation of my big pooch, he knew he would get some treats once he had been caught and tied where I decided to put him. It was the same thing when I taught him to trailer(which didnt really happen because he just loaded himself the good guy) but he got treats once inside the trailer and tied not before or during.

It sounds like that poor horse has gone thru a handful of things.
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I was thinking like treats after he is ready to go back into the field and all I have to do is lead him out there. Or is that not good?
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By any means I wouldn't any problems with giving him a treat once he's in his field and the halter is off. Just remember a horse's trust is not build by giving treats spend time with him
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Next time I go I'll ask his owner, the barn owner, if I can try to work with him to make him less aggressive. :)
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post #10 of 15 Old 02-14-2009, 01:58 PM
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He sounds like a horse that could really benefit from some Monty Roberts join-up.
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