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post #1 of 8 Old 10-11-2011, 05:26 AM Thread Starter
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Unhappy Very excitiable/piggy horse

My horse is a 6 year old arabxstandardbred, he was hand reared and practicly treated like a dog, so when i brought him he had a few issues.
hes not o bad now but no maatter what i do where i ride or where i go he is very in yyour face and pushes and trys to walkk over you.
i push him back growl at him tried training him diffrent but he dosnt seem to learn, even under saddle he is easy excited and bucks and rears, its not his feed, i try and feed him the calmest food and ride him where there is no distractions but still he get excited. I do endurance with him and evven after 40kms when i have to run him out forr the vets he bucks and rears at me on the ground, i get angry and upset after every ride, i have even tried riding him with calm horses, he just dosnt give in to anything, im hoping some one can give me some new ideas or just any help at all.
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post #2 of 8 Old 10-11-2011, 06:18 AM
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sounds like he has issues,
Go back to the beginning, and start on yur groundwork,
Order Julie Goodnights, "Lead line leaderership" or Lead line basics" cant remember title ecxact. Really good video.
That horse aproaches withing 3 feet without being asked is bad. That needs to stop, start backing him in a round pen, on a lead line and with a carrot stick. You must establish dominance. You want to get where you can just wave your hand and he gets the hint and backs off.
The riding issues could be behavior, it could also be medical, or bad saddle fit. You mentioned Arab, are you using an Arab treed saddle?
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post #3 of 8 Old 10-11-2011, 08:58 AM
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As always, first eliminate any physical reason for the behavior, especially the bucking/rearing undersaddle. That could be a lot of things outside sheer spoiling, including sore muscles, misalignment, saddle fit issues, bit/bridle fit/adjustment/appropriate-ness, teeth, etc. Tread carefully with the bucking and rearing. Those are dangerous behaviors, and even more so when they become habitual.

What exactly do you feed him? If he truly has that much energy, all he needs is good quality graze and grass hay free choice, with clean water and perhaps a mineral supplement.

On the training front, you must be absolutely consistent. With a horse that has been spoiled and treated like a puppy rather than a horse, sometimes some tough love is needed. I'm all for lovin's, treats, and all of that, but there have to be basic ground rules and patterns of respect in place, first. Every interaction teaches the horse something - every formal "lesson" on manners has to be backed up and enforced in the stable, in the pasture, while grooming, etc. Absolutely go back to the beginning and start with some basic lessons on "personal space" and moving his feet at your direction. Sometimes these guys with well established undesirable habits need excellent timing and feel to work out the "right answer." Going with a boxed training system or method is great and can get you pointed in the right direction, but without the consistence, timing, and feel to be totally effective your horse will have a hard time understanding. If that is the case, do look into finding someone with the feel and timing to help you get the ball rolling the right direction.

Good luck!!

A stubborn horse walks behind you, an impatient one in front of you, but a noble companion walks beside you ~ Unknown
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post #4 of 8 Old 10-11-2011, 09:20 AM
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I think the Arab part is kicking in here (it is rumored if you ride an Arabian Horse for 2 miles he is in condition to work another 40!).

I agree.. he does not have a clear understanding about personal space. Has he been turned out with other horses ever? If he has not, other horses can help him with his manners and crowding.

I agree that he needs to understand that he is not to come into your space without invitation. Apparently he was not taught this while being hand raised (a common issue BTW). I would get him in a round pen and get this lesson cleared up as suggested above.

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post #5 of 8 Old 10-11-2011, 09:31 AM
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What about learning some dressage?

Charlotte. You are obviously an experienced rider who owns a spirited horse. Arabs are notoriously difficult to master. My guess is you could benefit from learning a different mindset about how to ride a horse.

Elsewhere, dressage riders believe in having their mount under full and tight control at all times. The dressage horse is ridden in a quiet flat sandy arena on the bit in a rounded outline. It is a very different mindset to that of a trail rider or long distance rider who expects something different from a slightly bolshie, sure footed, fit and self confident trail horse.

I am sure you don't want to lose the enthusiam of your arab and neither do you want to bit it up and strap it down - so it is up to you to learn to ride it 'on the bit'.

My suggestion: Go find the local English dressage group and learn what it means to ride 'collected'.

PS You'll have to buy or borrow an English cut saddle and you'll have to buy a riding hat and a pair of tall boots.
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Thank you for so many suggestions, i was at a stump on where to go next, yes he has been turned out with other horses and he seems to bully and push them around to, i think because he was bigger and younger. I feed him only chaff aand hay, the basics because i first thought that was a cause, i dont have any small space to work him in but his paddock is his area so no chance i can work there, i have tried though lunging him until he gives in and comes to me, but of course all he did was run at me and rear, he dosnt give in hes a veery stubborn horse and veery difficult to work with. i also got out someone to look at his saddle and got one fitted, so i crossed out that, i have also had his teeth done and his whole body looked over thinking it might be his musscles, he has one baad tendon that swells up but only if he jerks it wrong so i then crossed that off my list, i have though of training him dressage to get him in control but ive have only ever done jumping and endurance so id have to hunt someone down. He only ever bucks or rears when he gets so excited i dont think he knows what else to do even with another horse with him if he see's some in a paddock he flips, i was thinking of mabye a calming additive to add to his food but i have no idea what to even look for, when the standarbred comes out he is the loveliest horse and then i think the arab kicks in and he goes nuts, but i will go back to basics wouldnt hurt him to learn over again and i will defently look into that video, thanks for all the ideas
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If you can arrange it, try to have a lesson from an experienced dressage rider on a well schooled dressage horse. I suspect it might open a whole new world to you. Modern dressage has diverged a little from classical riding techniques but the aim is to put the rider firmly in control of the horse's paces and speed at all times. The horse's nose comes down, the horse rounds up and you ride with a constant contact with the horse's bit.
Put figurativly, in trail you use the brakes to slow; in dressage you use the accelerator to speed up. In dressage you'll use your thighs and butt to control and not just the reins and the calves.

But a good dressage rider can demonstrate what I am trying to write in words.

What I would be sorry to hear is that you increase the severity of the bit and you consider using leather restraints on what sounds to be a spirited but intelligent arab cross.

What is imperative is that you get better control before the horse drifts towards lawlessness.
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post #8 of 8 Old 10-11-2011, 12:48 PM
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I agree that a more severe bit is not the answer. I would prefer to take most horses with issues BACK to basics. Teaching the horse to bend and be supple in the ring in both directions... and using the seat and thighs and calves to steady the horse and push him into the bit and the hands to resist, steady and guide. When he is between your seat and your hands he will be round and suplle but it takes time. Rome not built in a day sort of approach. :)

If he cannot maintain a regular pace (length of stride and speed) in the ring he will never do it on the trail. Caveletti can help him to learn where his feet are and get him to think about that.

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