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post #11 of 33 Old 06-04-2013, 09:49 PM
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I'd have shot that horse where I stood. I wouldn't have allowed the woman to drive off with him because I would not have trusted THAT moron to follow through with anything.
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Thanks for posting this. I've wanted to watch it for a while but didn't know where to find it.

18 studs all pastured together? Good Lord. DCA, I agree....that horse should have been put down a long one ago. I would be beyond words if my horse bit anyone in the head like that--I'd know it was my fault and would feel so incredibly guilty.
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I did enjoy how he chewed her out for having 18 studs.
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Yep, Branhaman is one of the only trainers I'll give an ear to without turning out the second his mouth opens.

I think the yellow colt (I've never called a horse yellow before him...he literally is yellow! Lol) could have been helped too, but only under the hand of a VERY strict trainer, AFTER being gelded...and I'm not sure I would ever trust him even after many months of training. That colt knows that, at some point, he could get away with aggression, so if an owner down the road...maybe one that doesn't know his history, were to give in to him just a LITTLE BIT, he might become that horse again, and someone could be severely hurt. I know because I have a mare who was aggressive. Not as bad as him, but enough to make her bare her teeth and run at people she was afraid of instead of back down. 3 1/2 years later I still have to be very careful not to let anyone without leadership abilities around her, because she immediately knows and tries to take advantage of them. It starts with poopy face looks at them, then nipping the air, then trying to actually nip them...and it just keeps getting worse from there.

And if he was returned to that lady, well, lets just say she needs a few CTJMs before she ought to even own one horse, much less a 'rehabbing' colt with severe aggression problems.
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I've heard a rumor online that the aggressive horse wasn't put down and actually sired some foals. Does anyone know if there's any truth to this?
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Yep, Branhaman is one of the only trainers I'll give an ear to without turning out the second his mouth opens.

I think the yellow colt (I've never called a horse yellow before him...he literally is yellow! Lol) could have been helped too, but only under the hand of a VERY strict trainer, AFTER being gelded...and I'm not sure I would ever trust him even after many months of training. That colt knows that, at some point, he could get away with aggression, so if an owner down the road...maybe one that doesn't know his history, were to give in to him just a LITTLE BIT, he might become that horse again, and someone could be severely hurt. I know because I have a mare who was aggressive. Not as bad as him, but enough to make her bare her teeth and run at people she was afraid of instead of back down. 3 1/2 years later I still have to be very careful not to let anyone without leadership abilities around her, because she immediately knows and tries to take advantage of them. It starts with poopy face looks at them, then nipping the air, then trying to actually nip them...and it just keeps getting worse from there.

And if he was returned to that lady, well, lets just say she needs a few CTJMs before she ought to even own one horse, much less a 'rehabbing' colt with severe aggression problems.
The bold part (I loved your entire post) is so true on so many levels. Sky is a prime example..though his wasn't aggression but 'scaring himself silly' describes him accurately.
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Exactly what Endiku said about that horse coming back, as Sky pointed out as well. Clinton Anderson said this about the aggressive horses he has worked with, and I will tell that to people as well. I've heard my own personal trainer sit owners down and give them long lectures and say "You're a fool if you don't come back and learn to handle this animal."

Selena used to be aggressive. Not extremely aggressive like that colt, but rearing up, striking at you, kicking, etc. She didn't bite me but I have no doubt had I of not gotten onto her, she would have. She was an orphan just like that baby.

She got lucky, she got into the hands of a family who takes no $h*t, not a family who would of babies her more and turned her into a monster. Now she's got a job, is well taken care of, and gets to live a full life.

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I agree with you all about it being the owners fault - I'm pretty sure my mouth was hanging open when she was telling everyone about the situation. I mean, surely after breaking your back in two places you would begin to downsize or seek help? Because it doesn't seem like she had any.

Like Buck said, most of the time, as a horse trainer, he is dealing with people problems - this was a prime example. Her keeping that sucker alive was putting herself and other people in very real danger, and it took some very blunt words for her to realise that.

I do disagree with Rookie though, about the horse being a sociopath. Horses are very very rarely born "bad". They are a prey animal, and only in the very worst, completely cornered situations will most react so aggressively. I believe that horse was made bad - through his circumstances, being orphaned, not having enough discipline, his owners blindness - and perhaps through oxygen deprivation, I don't know enough about it to say.
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I do not buy the oxygen deprivation as a legitimate excuse for anything that horse did.

In my short lifetime (Short in comparison to many, at least) I have encountered two horses with oxygen deprivation when they were born, just as I expect I will encounter more later on. Neither of them were aggressive, neither of them had any problems. Both were started with the rest of the two year olds and treated the exact same. Both are now well broke, lovely animals to work with.

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I've heard a rumor online that the aggressive horse wasn't put down and actually sired some foals. Does anyone know if there's any truth to this?
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I heard that as well but do not know if its true or not.

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