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post #31 of 33 Old 06-06-2013, 10:44 PM
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My Dad dealt with an Appy stud back in the 70s that was like that too. He'd been so spoiled by the "halter trainer" the owners sent him to as a yearling that he was vicious and dangerous (trainer would let him chew on whatever he wanted to keep him still during halter classes. They often had to get a new lead every show because the horse would eat all the leather off of it). Then, whenever you didn't do exactly what he wanted, he would turn on you; biting, pawing, charging, stomping, kicking, etc.

They expected my Dad to train this horse to ride...which he did (but as he says "he was young and impetuous" LOL), but it was very difficult and dangerous. He tried everything and finally had to resort to carrying a length of 3/8 inch chain whenever he was around that horse. Whenever AQ would charge, Dad would whip him to within an inch of his life with that chain. That was the only way to keep that $80K stud even somewhat manageable. There were other things done to that horse during other CTJ meetings that I won't mention here, but they were bad...very bad. BUT, Dad was the only person who could handle that horse without getting hurt, he could ride him anywhere, and he was successful in the show pen in WP, halter, team roping, and calf roping.

When my Dad left working for those folks, he warned the new trainer not to go into AQ's stall with just a buggy whip, he needed to take the chain. Well, about 3 weeks later, Dad found out that AQ had gotten the new trainer down in his stall and nearly killed him. The horse was never shown again and a few months later he was dead from a "blister beetle infestation"...which I was always suspicious of considering that he was the only horse in a barn of about 80 that got it .

But, I guess you don't get an insurance payout for shooting the dang thing because he's a lunatic.

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post #32 of 33 Old 06-06-2013, 11:17 PM
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FWIW: Trooper's sire was an Appy stallion who would cheerfully bite or kick any chance he got. My college roommate from the 70s owned him & said he could never relax or turn his back on the stallion. But the stallion would take him 50 miles one day, then turn around and do 50 the next, and then happily work the roughest range cattle around. The meaner the steers, the happier the horse.

Over a number of years, the stallion came to associate my former roommate with a chance to work rough cattle, or to go out and go all day. Horse and rider shared a common interest - work.

After about 10-12 years, my roommate realized the stallion no longer tried to bite or kick him. He had NO interest in socializing with people, but he was content as long as the rider wanted to cover miles or work cattle. The stallion died a couple of years ago, and my friend has a picture of him on the stallion, with a frame made of the stallion's mane. My unsentimental rancher friend has a mane-framed picture of a stallion who spent years trying to bite him, and tells people he's already ridden the finest horse he'll ever mount.

What saved that stallion's life was living on a ranch where there was a lot of work to do, and where they valued a horse who worked hard regardless. No one ever took any crap from the horse, but the horse's love of working eventually became a bond between horse and rancher. If he had been kept in a stall or small pasture, however, the horse would have been psycho. But he was lucky enough to be with the kind of a family where one of the boys recently rode his horse 25 miles to church, and 25 miles back, because he wanted to think and he thinks better on the back of a horse.

Happily, Trooper did NOT inherit his sire's personality:

"Make the right thing easy and the wrong thing...well, ignore it mostly."
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post #33 of 33 Old 06-07-2013, 02:37 AM
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I think we can all agree that there are different ways that certain people would have handled this. We can all agree the lady was an idiot, and the horse was definitely needing to be a gelding.

However, while I in particular would not have handled it in that way, I was not there. I believe the horse didn't need to be put down, but I was not there. I am not in a position to bash Buck as he does have some good info that I have used. Unfortunately, we will also never know, as none of us were there.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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