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    05-31-2012, 02:23 PM
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Yearling
Very stubborn horse!

So, we [the festival] have a 14 or 16 year old spanish mustang named Brown. He is stubborn and cranky pretty much all the time, and is a retired parade and dancing horse. We assume he had some years of abuse as he's got white marks on his nose and where the girth was tightened. We assume he had a chain nose band, not sure about the girth.

Brown under saddle is very responsive and listens to leg, but sometimes when he chooses to do something, he's got it stuck in his mind he will do it, and will hardly yield. On the ground, his manners are terrible. He doesn't back up, and it takes a lot of work, and a lot of different methods to make you his leader [Our trainer's sister came for a weekend and worked with him, it took her nearly an hour to figure out a way to make him back up and respect her space.] You can jab him, you can hit him with the lead rope, you can give a swift yank to the halter, nothing. He just blocks it out like it's nothing.

The worst part to him is that he bites. A lot. So far he's gotten nearly everyone who's worked with him at least once. When he's being brushed, he'll try to bite. When he's getting his girth tightened, he'll try to bite. When you're just sitting on him and if he's wanting to go and you're not letting him, he'll turn his head and get your toe. If you remove the halter while turnng him out, he'll try to get you there, too. When turning him out and he tries this, I put the halter back on and give him a good whap with the lead rope a couple times and turn him as discipline. Usually he gets it in his mind not to do so again.

When he makes attempts to bite, we usually bop him with the halter, but it just annoys him. Smacking him on the neck does nothing, either. It just annoys him further.

Personality wise, I dislike him and generally don't work with him, but I would like some hints for the others who actually stick it with him.
     
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    05-31-2012, 02:32 PM
  #2
Foal
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Originally Posted by Deschutes    
So, we [the festival] have a 14 or 16 year old spanish mustang named Brown. He is stubborn and cranky pretty much all the time, and is a retired parade and dancing horse. We assume he had some years of abuse as he's got white marks on his nose and where the girth was tightened. We assume he had a chain nose band, not sure about the girth.

Brown under saddle is very responsive and listens to leg, but sometimes when he chooses to do something, he's got it stuck in his mind he will do it, and will hardly yield. On the ground, his manners are terrible. He doesn't back up, and it takes a lot of work, and a lot of different methods to make you his leader [Our trainer's sister came for a weekend and worked with him, it took her nearly an hour to figure out a way to make him back up and respect her space.] You can jab him, you can hit him with the lead rope, you can give a swift yank to the halter, nothing. He just blocks it out like it's nothing.

The worst part to him is that he bites. A lot. So far he's gotten nearly everyone who's worked with him at least once. When he's being brushed, he'll try to bite. When he's getting his girth tightened, he'll try to bite. When you're just sitting on him and if he's wanting to go and you're not letting him, he'll turn his head and get your toe. If you remove the halter while turnng him out, he'll try to get you there, too. When turning him out and he tries this, I put the halter back on and give him a good whap with the lead rope a couple times and turn him as discipline. Usually he gets it in his mind not to do so again.

When he makes attempts to bite, we usually bop him with the halter, but it just annoys him. Smacking him on the neck does nothing, either. It just annoys him further.

Personality wise, I dislike him and generally don't work with him, but I would like some hints for the others who actually stick it with him.

I know I will have some people disagree, but we had a real bitch of a mare that was plain nasty in and out of the pasture. We used a shock collar on her. She is no longer a problem as far as the aggressiveness.
     
    05-31-2012, 05:08 PM
  #3
Weanling
Once you get to the point of actually disliking a horse (and I've been there) do yourself a favor and get rid of it. You can't fix it because you don't really want to. It is now a waste of time and effort. I may draw fire here but I also believe that there are "irrepairable" horses. Just like people, horses can get to a point of "just leave me the heck alone" and nothing you do will penetrate that. Not that they "can't" be fixed they simply "won't" maybe the right person with the right personality and a lot of time can rehab this horse, but you have already stated your dislike of it, it most likely won't be you. BTW I detest biters... makes me nearly killing mad, I'll put up with alot form a horse, but if it bites repeatedly down the road it goes.
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    05-31-2012, 06:24 PM
  #4
Weanling
Possibly abuse aside, this sounds like a horse who was never taught to respect humans and has been allowed to get away with his bad behavior.

I'll let other folks weigh in on the ground manners, as I know someone is bound to have a helpful response. Just off the top of my head, though... First, ask. Second, demand. Third, if he isn't complying, you MAKE HIM MOVE HIS FEET. He will run his fool head off until he learns what you're asking isn't so bad in comparison.

As far as the biting, that's remedied with the following: carry a small nail between your fingers. When he goes to bite, he should poke himself in the face and that way he'll learn it hurts without associating you with the pain, thus preventing headshyness. As for biting while mounted, if he insists on going for your toe, kick him in the teeth. Not hard, but enough to get your point across.
My guess is that people either don't correct him or don't correct him with the same level of intensity that he is bringing to the table. Match his energy and up the ante if you need to.
     
    05-31-2012, 06:31 PM
  #5
Trained
Find him a new owner. Waste your time on a horse you like.
     

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