Video working with my pushy reactive mare Joy

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    11-01-2012, 03:47 AM
Video working with my pushy reactive mare Joy

So I've been working with joy and she has been doing better. She is pushy and reactive at first but if its addressed at the beginning of the training session she eventually stops and starts to listen. So these two video's are me working on her reactivity and some of her disrespectful dominance behavior. Sorry I go out of frame a few times I put my phone on my gate. After these two videos I had two more videos but it seems my phone ate them so I'm going to take some more tomorrow. So what's missing after this is I saddled her up and I lunged her again only this time with quick changes of direction with out stopping her. You may notice she is most pushy when I'm on her right side. When I did the quick direction changes she would attempt to push her shoulder into me and crowd me at a fast pace I wish I could of showed you guys that one it was my favorite and a more interesting problem to watch me correct. So it took a few minutes but I got her to finally quit crowding me. Anyways after we did that I rode her. A screw in the headstall I had her bit on broke so I had to use a rope halter to ride her and she was great tried to crow hop once but besides that she did everything I told her to do.

Click on the linkto start the video. Feel free to skip around a bit if needed I go out of frame occasionally.
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    11-01-2012, 04:00 AM
Also normally I lunge her with a lunge line so she doesn't have to make such tight circles but I accidentally forgot it at home. I currently do no own a round pen that is going to be my Christmas present to myself this year .
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    11-01-2012, 07:09 AM
A pushy and reactive horse would run over the top of you if you sent them forward like that with a crop and then kept their front end pointed right at yourself. Your horse is very politely letting you stay right up in her personal space while you are cracking a whip. She even rears up and avoids hitting you. That is being very non-pushy.

Near the beginning of the first video, you send your horse toward the left side of the screen but you're not watching her. She hits the end of the lead, which pulls her face back toward yourself. Then you yank around on the lead and correct her. Why? She was following the lead rope.

It seems that the horse would benefit from more talking and less yelling.
If it feels like she is shouting at you, that is because you are shouting at her. Why can't you try a gentle pull, then a light tug if there is no response instead of every movement of the lead being a quick, hard jerk?

Also, how does your horse know what you are asking? Do you want her to move her hind end away from the whip around you once in a circle? Then instead of starting with six circles before giving a break and reward, try two steps. Then slowly progress up to one circle, and etc.

It might seem like she is pushing into you, but you are not giving her enough space to do anything except come into your body. A horse has a large body to move around.

If a horse reacts too quickly, slow down your own movements and cues.
    11-01-2012, 08:03 AM
Green Broke
1.) I do not see a pushy or dominant horse here at all in these videos.

2.) I do see insufficient reward when she does the RIGHT thing.

When she stands and stops moving her feet in reaction to the whip, YOU should stop swinging the whip and back off. Spend some time rubbing her head and letting her relax. THEN go in again.. and when she stops and stands drop the whip and back away.. rub her head.. let her relax.

This will help her to understand the "right" thing is to stand quietly. When she stands quietly, you release the pressure.

Instead what I see is after she stands quietly you are still banging the whip around and keeping the pressure on. How can she possibly KNOW when she has got it right? "Good girl" is not a language horses understand. They read body language and stance and they are not verbal.

Many trainers make this mistake. They are often good at letting a horse (or any other animal) know when they have got it wrong.. but a good trainer knows to let the horse know when they have it RIGHT. Making a big deal out of right behavior (removing pressure.. backing off.. rubbing the horse's head and so forth) will go a LONG way training.

A quick correction for the wrong thing and keeping the pressure on.. and IMMEDIATE release of pressure and an opportunity for the horse to relax when they do the right thing.

All I see here is a horse that is never being really told when she is right and so she is not sure. Her head up, ears back, moving away from you and so forth is all horse not being sure of what you want because when she stops you don't back down.Actually, her stance is the same stance a horse in a herd takes when she is avoiding a horse that is higher in the pecking order telling her to get outta the way.
    11-01-2012, 08:06 AM
Green Broke
BTW she is a very nice horse. Watching this I surely wish I could work with her.
    11-01-2012, 08:15 AM
If you can't say something nice than don't say nuttin at all... leaving this thread :)
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    11-01-2012, 08:51 AM
You have a very nice, willing horse.

Please learn some different ways of interacting with her and decide what you want to do and why you want to do it.
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    11-01-2012, 09:08 AM
I don't release immediately with this particular exercise because she needs to show me she's not going to move again, horses often move after you stop immediately, your supposed to not release for about 8-15 seconds roughly. Im perfectly aware what pressure and release is so just settle it down there. After they stop and I do pet and rub her I don't know what your talking about but I'm not going to sit there and baby her either,This mare likes to crowd push and rear up you don't know my horse I do. The video isn't made for you to get so upset about lol everyone trains differently. I'm kinda mad my phone didn't work out with rest of the session.
    11-01-2012, 09:21 AM
Ok so this is like my first few times with this particular exercise (which you guys can obviously tell). I was trying to learn different ground work and I saw Clinton Anderson do this and I wanted to try it out apparently I'm doing it wrong so ill rewatch it or go back to what I know and not do this anymore... But I'll try again today I put this video up to get others opinions as I wanted others eyes to go over it improve myself. So you say I don't reward good enough are you saying I should rub her more? And he does constantly push her shoulder into me and my space I actually don't want her to be that close so, this is why I recorded myself to improve. I can always learn more a horse trainer that stops learning isn't a good horse trainer.
    11-01-2012, 10:17 AM
Also thank you for your constructive criticism I will take into account what you guys said. Sorry I was defensive in my first post I had just woken up and I didn't mean for it to come off that way. After I reread myself I was like oops that doesn't sound good. Anyways I would like to do that right so it seems I need to watch my lead placement. I watched myself again after what you guys said so I see what you all are saying. I think I get to focused on trying to work her and maybe I don't reward enough. So I made a mental note to rub her good today! But she does try to push on me crowd me an constantly get in my space maybe the video doesn't show it good enough but she does do this. As for communicating with her, I have trouble clicking with her mentally and it frustrates me. I always seem to having problems with this another reason I recorded myself to look at her body language and see what I missed. I'm trying guys I am in no way perfect and always love to improve. This is very important to me I want to get it right.

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