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    11-01-2012, 10:35 PM
  #31
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
The only thing I don't understand from Ian's video is why walk persistantly toward the horse's hindquarter? If you want the horse to start being accepting of the flag, then why walk toward the hind, wether the hrose moves or not? It looks a bit like Ian is drivng the horse continually.
You can also walk away from the horse and have it follow you and the scary thing. In fact, having the horse follow the scary thing , which he soon comes to view as "chasing " it can be a first step to him being a lot braver. So you can have him follow a bit, then you turn and you are coming toward him . But I don't understand the value in moving continueally AT his hindquarters. Waht do you want the hrose to do? Stand there ? I can see that if you are approaching as if you were going to adjust something on the saddle, but the movement in that video seems a bit like driving the hind and I am wondering the purpose there.
Oh yeah, continually driving the horse is exactly what I'm doing there. I'll continue to move him around until the way he's moving changes from a reaction (fight or flight) into a response (showing understanding). I know he's there when he's no longer pulling on the rope and his entire expression visibly relaxes. The change I'm looking for in the horse is a mental change. The basic idea behind it is that I'm teaching him how to operate his body with a human being driving him forward from behind his shoulder (as I will when mounted) while simultaneously being guided by the reins (lead rope) and, at the same time accepting distracting stimulus (the flag) without coming apart at the seams. At the end of the day it's really just about my ability to survive riding him so I can live to ride another day.

I do also work on letting them stop and stand and relax. Actually that's the last thing I do just before putting them away. I'll give them a rub-down and let them completely relax in my presence before letting them go back to their friends. Really helps when you want to be able to CATCH them the next day. XD In this instance though, the very next thing I did after this session was ride this guy so the whole thing essentially amounts to his warm-up.
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    11-01-2012, 11:38 PM
  #32
Yearling
I would have liked to see the videos but for some reason it wouldn't open for me........good for you for taking critizism and working with it!
     
    11-01-2012, 11:47 PM
  #33
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Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
Oh yeah, continually driving the horse is exactly what I'm doing there. I'll continue to move him around until the way he's moving changes from a reaction (fight or flight) into a response (showing understanding). I know he's there when he's no longer pulling on the rope and his entire expression visibly relaxes. The change I'm looking for in the horse is a mental change. The basic idea behind it is that I'm teaching him how to operate his body with a human being driving him forward from behind his shoulder (as I will when mounted) while simultaneously being guided by the reins (lead rope) and, at the same time accepting distracting stimulus (the flag) without coming apart at the seams. At the end of the day it's really just about my ability to survive riding him so I can live to ride another day.



I do also work on letting them stop and stand and relax. Actually that's the last thing I do just before putting them away. I'll give them a rub-down and let them completely relax in my presence before letting them go back to their friends. Really helps when you want to be able to CATCH them the next day. XD In this instance though, the very next thing I did after this session was ride this guy so the whole thing essentially amounts to his warm-up.
Ok, I get it. So , you were looking for him to be reacting to your body telling him to move forward without him fleeing you. I understand. Thank you for clearing that up. In general, I find that you, of those that talk about training here, express most closely the philosophy that my teacher trains by and tries to teach us. She studied with Branaman, some, but did most of her work with Harry Whitney. Know him?
     
    11-02-2012, 12:18 AM
  #34
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
Ok, I get it. So , you were looking for him to be reacting to your body telling him to move forward without him fleeing you. I understand. Thank you for clearing that up. In general, I find that you, of those that talk about training here, express most closely the philosophy that my teacher trains by and tries to teach us. She studied with Branaman, some, but did most of her work with Harry Whitney. Know him?
I've heard of him. Haven't seen any of his stuff, though I have heard that he's good. I think he's from the Tom Dorrance/Ray Hunt camp as well, so it makes total sense that we'd think along similar lines. I have a wide variety of eclectic (and esoteric) influences but my core approach is heavily borrowed from Tom and Bill Dorrance, Ray Hunt and Buck Brannaman.

I reckon we're like horsemanship cousins.
     
    11-02-2012, 12:39 AM
  #35
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Ok so here something that I do with joy and my other horses that is kinda of a silly game but it does teach her awareness of what my body is doing. This is more me just kinda playing around with her it seems to be more of a relaxing exercise for the both of us. I normally do this with a halter and lead rope but I set her up with a new headstall since the other is currently broken and I was a little curious how she would work with a hackemore. So she does head toss when I tried to back her with it a time or two. I may have had the curb too tight or the asking of pressure in a different place might of been too much I tried to be light with my hand pressure as she is pretty sensitive. Need longer play time with hackemore in the saddle I didn't really try to do much with it lesson wise. But eventually I want her to back up when I walk backwards. I don't know if this is silly or not and I don't know if other people do something similar I started doing this when I was pretty young early teens as kinda of a way to play with them and pay attention to me.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...6BE3A0D856.mp4
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    11-02-2012, 12:51 AM
  #36
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Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing    
Ok so here something that I do with joy and my other horses that is kinda of a silly game but it does teach her awareness of what my body is doing. This is more me just kinda playing around with her it seems to be more of a relaxing exercise for the both of us. I normally do this with a halter and lead rope but I set her up with a new headstall since the other is currently broken and I was a little curious how she would work with a hackemore. So she does head toss when I tried to back her with it a time or two. I may have had the curb too tight or the asking of pressure in a different place might of been too much I tried to be light with my hand pressure as she is pretty sensitive. Need longer play time with hackemore in the saddle I didn't really try to do much with it lesson wise. But eventually I want her to back up when I walk backwards. I don't know if this is silly or not and I don't know if other people do something similar I started doing this when I was pretty young early teens as kinda of a way to play with them and pay attention to me.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...6BE3A0D856.mp4
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I think that you've got all the natural feel and ability you'll ever need to get good at this. Certain nuances of technique will come from experience and studying other people who're good. For example, I might not want my horse to follow me so physically closely as yours does, but on the other hand some things like that come down to a person's preferences of style. So it's all good!
     
    11-02-2012, 01:02 AM
  #37
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Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
I think that you've got all the natural feel and ability you'll ever need to get good at this. Certain nuances of technique will come from experience and studying other people who're good. For example, I might not want my horse to follow me so physically closely as yours does, but on the other hand some things like that come down to a person's preferences of style. So it's all good!
Yeah actually I'd rather her be a tad bit farther away but I didn't want to mess with it today, it was a more about chilling out today. I don't let the colts or pepper get that close. She always wants to be next to me like an insecure young colt. So closeness may be a security confidnece thing cause even though she was close she wasn't pushing on me. So the space issue ill work on as we progress. I just didn't want to get that tail switching and I feel better about moving her when she is in a halter.
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    11-02-2012, 10:17 AM
  #38
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Ian, try asking her to move about in different ways, forward, back, side to side without losing the float in the rope. It's not easy at first as we have to be so aware of the rope that we're not going to pull the slack out of it. Getting the horse walking from standing might require a bit of ingenuity but once it starts coming together the feeling is awesome. To remove pressure I unhalter the horse and walk away for half a minute and admire the scenery and not think of the horse. The halter forces the horse to have a connection, I want him to want one.
     

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