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post #1 of 22 Old 09-02-2010, 10:18 PM Thread Starter
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Wake up you stupid horse and move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My mare is starting to get lazy. She really wakes up when I pick up the end of the rope, whip, or spurs. However I don't want to have to do this all the time. She tends to lag behind me when I lead her.

I am wanting to take her to a local halter show next weekend. I know that this would require me to jog her a little bit and then lead her out. But I have tried to get her to jog with me and its like trying to pull a ton of bricks. She will try to walk while I am trying to jog. I am not physically fit enough to pull her all the way around the arena. I need her to help me out and not make do all the work.

How can I get her to jog with me?????
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post #2 of 22 Old 09-02-2010, 10:52 PM
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Could you use a dressage whip and tap her bum with it while you're asking her to move?
I'm having this issue with my gelding. Some days he'll trot with me and step up to my shoulder nicely and then other days he'd just rather me drag him from A to B
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post #3 of 22 Old 09-02-2010, 11:01 PM
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Get someone behind you to clap. Once she starts jogging with you, reward her.

The thing about using a dressage whip is a lot of times the horse will start angling away from the whip because they know you are going to tap them with it then you have a horse moving forward at an angle and not straight.

Unless it weighs a ton... it's just a horse. Draft horse motto.
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I tried that this afternoon. I am kinda discordinated when it comes to handling a whip and leading a horse. Might try to find my finer made whip / stick and see if that will work.
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post #5 of 22 Old 09-02-2010, 11:39 PM
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Dangle a carrot in front of her nose!

I would free lounge her and get her focused on wanted to shadow your every move. This should take one session in a paddock (NOT a round pen) and then problem salved.

Tapping on the butt with a whip then rewarding... Clapping behind her and rewarding, that's all well and good but you're speaking like your teaching a human, she's a horse and she doesn't care :) She also knows when you're in the show ring that no one will be there to "man her butt" so this is a pickle.

The issue is ground work and explain this to her in horse terms because, she is a horse. If horses were training people I'd expect them to learn English to do so... but for now its us training them so speak her language!

Not the best example but here is what I mean by the end result. He was a lazy horse too (10 minutes before this video was taken)
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post #6 of 22 Old 09-02-2010, 11:46 PM
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Rewarding absolutely does work. Whether you use a treat or praise with pats on the neck and scratches. People have been doing that with horses for years with great success.

Obviously you don't have someone behind them the entire time you are training. You do it the first few times until the horse understands your cues and then you are able to move ahead without anyone behind.

I think you probably don't understand horses that well if you think they can't understand what we say in English. My horse will do his gaits and transitions just by verbal cues when I am free lunging him. Draft horse drives use voice cues to move the horse left to right. So it's silly to say it only has to be in 'horse language'.

Unless it weighs a ton... it's just a horse. Draft horse motto.
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I guess I just do not understand horses Solon. This is why I purchase only problem children who have been to many trainers with no such luck.

I didn't say horses cannot learn to understand voice commands. If you got that, you've totally misunderstood.

I also never said rewarding doesn't work. The horse who comes to me and follows gets plenty of pats and praise.

If you'll notice she's tried the whip/tap way and said it has not worked well. I offered an alternative way that no one has suggested and that works far better IMO than some clapping behind the horse. The horse KNOWS it is being asked to walk forward, clearly, so unless someone is clapping she'll plod along unless something is addressed in her language.

If you and I walked up to a herd of wild mustangs and you said "WHOA" to a running horse while I stepped out in front of another running horse with my hand in the air quietly, mine would slow and turn, yours would keep on-a-runnin!

But what do I know :)

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Well, having grown up with a grandfather that raised nothing but mustangs and was able to do just what you described, I'd say you're still wrong.

You said:

Tapping on the butt with a whip then rewarding... Clapping behind her and rewarding, that's all well and good but you're speaking like your teaching a human, she's a horse and she doesn't care

You implied the horse didn't care about the rewards. If that's the case why do you give pats and praise? In other words, rewards.

You also said:

The issue is ground work and explain this to her in horse terms because, she is a horse.

Which I disagreed with saying you can use verbal commands just the same. It's how I taught my draft and every other horse.

Are you a natural horsemanship trainer?

Unless it weighs a ton... it's just a horse. Draft horse motto.
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Solon I think you have misrepresented what you mean by horses understanding English. YES, they can learn vocal cues. Of course they can, most animals can. But horses cannot understand English. If they could, then you could say "I want you to follow me closely and step out smartly at least this once because that nasty judge is watching and I want him to think you are the best horse there ever was." You use horse language to teach the horse that the English word "Trot" means pick up your feet buddy, and make it look good.
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post #10 of 22 Old 09-03-2010, 05:06 AM
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Get someone behind you to clap.
Just make sure not this close:


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