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post #11 of 25 Old 03-12-2013, 09:26 PM
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Not at my shoulder. Like, behind me but to the side of my shoulder
My guy does the same.....it doesn't bother me....I just loom ahead of him....he follows:)
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But she'll also always take a while to speed up and match my pace and it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to get her to trot!!!
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Not at my shoulder. Like, behind me but to the side of my shoulder
That's actually exactly where they should walk if you're leading for respect. I'm pretty sure everyone has been told when they first start working with horses that the correct way to lead a horse is under the halter with your hand on the clip or lead rope. But this is totally unnatural for any animal that is following another animal. If I was to say to you "okay, we're gonna go somewhere, follow me!" and I hold you by the arm and push you out in front of me and start walking, you'd be walking a little funny and probably be a little uncomfortable because I'm holding you by the arm. But if I said "follow me" and left you alone, you'd probably walk somewhat beside me but probably a little bit behind me because that's how you naturally follow someone.

Now it IS disrespectful if the horse is lagging behind and taking his sweet time, and for that I use a lungewhip in my left hand and if I want him to speed up, I take the slack out of the lead rope. If he doesn't speed up, I give him a threatening wave of the lunge whip and immediately drop the slack and lower the lungewhip if he speeds up.

Warwick explains it a bit better than I do =D
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My horse did this for the Longest time to...I got a lead rope with a chain with a clip on the end...here is a pic...
http://img.smartpak.com/product/high...unterWhite.jpg
The starting on the side you walk on( left or right of the horse ) yo slide the chain threw the side...usually on the noseband...slip it threw the opposite loop then bring it back to where it hangs just below the chin.... When she is behind you give just a little yank down word and tell her with a click (or what ever ur cue is) and see how it goes:) it worked 4 me:):):):):):):):)

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My horse did this for the Longest time to...I got a lead rope with a chain with a clip on the end...here is a pic...
http://img.smartpak.com/product/high...unterWhite.jpg
The starting on the side you walk on( left or right of the horse ) yo slide the chain threw the side...usually on the noseband...slip it threw the opposite loop then bring it back to where it hangs just below the chin.... When she is behind you give just a little yank down word and tell her with a click (or what ever ur cue is) and see how it goes:) it worked 4 me:):):):):):):):)
This is a HORRIBLE idea. The shank of a chain is meant to convey the cue to stop. Whatever the horse is doing, the chain being yanked is a cue for it to stop. If you have a chain on your horse, you should not have any tension in the lead unless you're giving a correction.

If you want her up closer to you, get a whip and tap her when she lags, don't yank on the lead or pull it.
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I actually used to always lead horses with my hand always ON THE BUCKLE! But my trainer taught me that that's NOT right xD So yes I give her lots of slack, as much as I can without her being able to trip over it. Thanks for the video! Warwick has helped me a ton through working with Fancy
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It just creeps me out to have a horse walking directly behind me--I don't mean when I lead through my 34" wide stable door, but all OTHER leading times. It also creeped me out when Aragorn was laying down (trying not to die) and the horse laid down next to him.
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Use a long dressage length whip smacked at the girth line behind you and insist on perfect leading every time. Also, I lead my horses on the near and the far side, as often as possible. If one of my horses walks up like he's gonna walk into me I back him up. Since we've been doing this dance for awhile, I don't flash a whip in front, but I do tap his hooves with it to continue backing. At this point my 6yo's will back up into the stall wall, or the fence or the side of the barn, or even a wheelbarrow, if I ask. Don't start out asking for this bc they'll spook.
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Could also be that you are not decisive here, letting her lag once, wanting her up further another?

And may be you are looking at her too, which will slow/stop one.

Carry lash whip, trailing behind you, walk off and if she lags tell her to come up and then reach behind you/crossing behind with whip and lightly tap once.

Correct as needed.
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When she is behind you give just a little yank down word and tell her with a click (or what ever ur cue is) and see how it goes:) it worked 4 me:):):):):):):):)
Any 'cue' applied & reinforced consistently & clearly will teach a horse to do something. The reasons I wouldn't use a chain across a horse's nose - aside from disagreeing with using something harsh & potentially damaging across a horse's sensitive nose - are...

While you can teach a horse to respond to any cue, I like to keep things straight forward. I teach my horses to *yield* to pressure, not come into it(well, with the exception of a breastplate or collar when pulling or such). Therefore downward pressure on the nose means yield that nose down/back. IOW lower the head, slow, stop, back up.

Punishment and discomfort absolutely have their place in horse training, IMO. But this isn't *necessarily or to begin with at least* one of them. I think it's vital to use punishment judiciously and with full understanding of the 'cons' as well as 'pros' of it. For starters, I'd be focussing on *teaching* the horse what I DO want, rather than punishing it for what it's doing - which for all we know the horse could have been trained to do, so don't 'come down on him' for it, just politely teach him the alternative behaviour you want.

If you 'ask' gently & politely for the horse to come forward(physical cue is the halter putting pressure on the poll for horse to yield forward), then you can get 'firmer' if necessary(eg use the tail of the rope to put some pressure beside/behind the horse), but IMO being polite & clear is just as important as being assertive & effective if you want to *earn* the respect of the horse.
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I have only once really worked with a horse to "lead Right" most of the time if the walk a little slow behind and off to the right then it's no big deal. BUT I hate horses that I have to pull if they keep off the lead rope and keep up I don't push too much. If the hang back and the lead is tight then that is not ok. The one time I really worked on a horse to train her to stay at my shoulder I did a lot of fence work leading up and down a fence. I would hold the lead in my left hand and a lung wipe that had almost no tail left but it work really well to be able to reach her hip I would walk and if she didn't step out and walk tap tap on the hock. if she got to far ahead tap tap on the knee or chest. I could work her to the point she would drop her head and lick and chew. At the end if I leaned forward she would lean forward I could walk stop go backwards turn and she would stay right at my shoulder. I even got to where she would do it with no halter of lead rope.
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