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        04-17-2007, 05:27 AM
      #11
    Weanling
    Yes, you have a herd bound horse. Is he herd bound to a certain horse, or just any horse in general? We have a horse who is like this. There are several things we do. One, we switch up which pasture he is in occasionally. (actually we do this with all of our horses so they don't get too attached to one buddy) The next thing is to continue to do what you are doing.....sort of. What I mean is this. When he turns back home, circle him around. (once) to get him in the proper direction. Then, you need to really work him. (use a crop if necessary) Get him up into a lope if possible, a trot at least. Trot him for a bit (like 5 min if possible) then let him walk. If he tries it again, work him again. Make him realize that turning back towards his buddys results in more work. NEVER let a horse trot or lope back home. Always make them walk. I also like what Desert Rat said. Once home, keep him tied for a bit (an hour or so). Do this for a couple of reasons. One, so that he doesn't get rewarded by a) being turned back out to pasture and b) seeing his buddies again. Also, it will teach him some patience. Good luck.
         
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        04-17-2007, 02:15 PM
      #12
    Foal
    You have to get him compleatly away from other horses if you are going to hold his attention long enough to teach him anything. Accross a fence or behind some trees won't do it. He knows the others are close.
         
        04-18-2007, 04:39 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    yes these are very good tips but I have some things to say about some of them.


    Ok well with the constant stoping and turning him around and stuff. I do turn him around to face the way I want him to go and will occasionally use my over and under to give him a encouraging slap on the butt. He usually responds to this and does good but sometimes when I do that he will automatically trot then do a sudden quick turn and try trotting back off to the others.

    With the working him every time he trys to turn back around theres a problem with that. If I lope him off or trot him off in the direction I want him to go then he does the exact same thing as before taking quick turn arounds to go back with the group.

    I really don't understand why I mean he was fine the first couple times I took him away from the group a while back but now its like he has buddied up with the horses I ride. He is usually very dominant over these horses that my friends have and I don't understand why he wants to go back to them. I have noticed though that he seems to want to go back to Peachez (my friends horse) more than my other friends horse. Do you think Junior has grown fond of Peachez?

    I really don't know with Junior he has off and on days. He gets testy and very dominant over things.

    Like for instance a week or so back he was with the group and we were all out in the field. I attempted to turn Junior in a different direction. Well Junior did not want to go so he got one of his attitudes and turn around swishing his tail in anger. At this time I did not have a over and under and my reins are cotton and not split so I had no real punishment and my hand would not work too well. Well I just turned him back in that direction and kicked him up to trot. He got mad and attempted a little buck trying to go back the way he wanted to go. I turned him again and he tried to throw me.
    I was so angry I didn't even have anything to hit him with. So I made him lope and I pulled him away from everyone. That's when I saw his first signs of not wanting to leave the group. Grrr its making me so mad. How dare he act like that.

    He's been doing stuff and testing me all over the place lately and i'm wondering if this is a test of his or not. Maybe he has a problem leaving the group or its a test I just have to find out which one though.
         
        04-23-2007, 05:10 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    Hi there....can I just ask???? How much leg do you honestly give him....I mean seriously do you mean what you ask with your legs or is it just an ask if he wants too? I have ponies and horses that will test you with a jig or twitch or even take feet off the ground, until they get that don't mess with me leg contact. How much warming into work do you give and when do you think he is giving to you??? How does his back feel as opposed to not warm enough to work tight and arched or we are lights on warm to hot ready what would you like to do next??? Ready??? Whats your point of balance and maybe have you or your freinds noticed a tongue out or him behind or above the bit when he is evading you and what sort of bridle do you use??? I know lots of questions but I will reveal my theorys once I hear your answers. :)
         
        04-23-2007, 07:15 AM
      #15
    Weanling
    well with leg pressure I only give him a little bit every now and then. I honestly don't use my legs that much I usually can turn him perfectly fine without leg presssure. I do occasionally use my legs though for a little reassuring every now and then but not much. And I don't just ask him if he wants too. If I tell him to go that way no matter how many times he turns around he will eventually go the way I tell him. :wink:


    I don't work with like every day constantly I usually just ride him around pleasurely and then I will occasionally go work on his gaits and stuff that's all. And usually by time I get to were I work him I have already trotted and loped him a few times and warmed him up some.

    And he isn't very touchy on the stuff about balance and stuff he isn't really like that.

    He has the bridle that I pictured in my sig. He uses a twisted broken bit with shanks.

    I hope that could help some?
         
        04-23-2007, 12:04 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Jr Lover. There have been 9 responses of all good sound advice to the problem you have outlined. In the case of everyone of them you have continued to make excuses for your horse. Why ask for advice if you do not intend to act on it?
         
        04-23-2007, 07:40 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    :) Hi JRlover, This is my view from what youv'e given me. Firstly I mean all of my advice in love and mean not to put you down or make you feel bad! I think that perhaps you may be riding on your hands hence that being your point of balance, If you were to loosen your reins...not leave them flapping but hold your reins to make a straight line from mouth to hand so that you just feel his mouth...NO TIGHTER! This will be so that you can turn when needed. Your reasurance should come from your hand to pat and your mouth for kind and soft words. Your legs are for GO! I suggest legs on legs on legs on legs on! Everywhere you go legs on. Relax your legs to his sides and hug with your legs so that you feel him there all of the time. I think you should rest from any other schooling until you reaffirm going forward. Imagine this.......you have a large balloon between your legs and the front of the balloon is connected to a string held in your hands. Ok as you are just standing nothing happens but as you squeeze with your legs the air is pushed forward and you feel the string move so you move your hand forward so as not to loose the string. Now if you transfer this to riding squeezing causes your horse to move forward and the reins move because his head moves in the walk and so do your hands BUT if you don't allow your hands to move because you need them to balance on effectively you hurt your horses mouth and he thinks bugger you I'm going home and failing that I am going to unload you! I think that perhaps your boy won't go forward or where you want because it hurts. NOW don't waste time in feeling bad about this.....we all make mistakes! We don't get better by just knowing this we get better by practicing lots and lots in the case of horses. This is just my opinion and people make the mistake of using something harsher eg the whip or harder bit when really you need to go back to basics and look at your point of balance which should be your body core...stomach, hips/bottom, legs and feet in stirrups. Your seat bones should be balanced on the saddle and independent. Your hands are for steering kindly they are not for go. Ok that's enough lecturing!
    Get out and ride that horse baby!
         
        04-23-2007, 09:22 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Desert Rat
    Jr Lover. There have been 9 responses of all good sound advice to the problem you have outlined. In the case of everyone of them you have continued to make excuses for your horse. Why ask for advice if you do not intend to act on it?

    Um i'm not making any excuses for my horse how was I making excuses for my horse? Really if you aren't going to give me advice leave my topic please and that's said nicely.


    Ok Tumai......wow this is just I am thinking alot about this and well I think your right to be honest. I know its kinda hard for me to admit that I may have a problem but I never thought that if I kick him up and didn't move my hand forward it would hurt. I usually keep my hand at the horn and it stays there. That shows I rarely move my hand forward only for a trot every now and then and for loping and faster. I never though of it as so serious. I use cotton reins too as you can see in the siggy. I can't feel much of how tight I am with these and I got these primarily because I don't like using split reins that much. I'm thinking I should go back to the split reins for this that way I can feel the pressures on his mouth.....do you think I should? I also know I have a problem with using my body musles for balance trust me I have been trying for a long time. I think I have gotten this bad habit of using reins because the horse I used to ride a while back was always dancing and I pretty much had to have pretty close contact otherwise if I loosened up he would shoot off. Could this be one of the causes of this problem? I am really happy you have brought this to my attention I never thought I was hurting him or even really pulling on him really I don't notice my dependence on the reins.
         
        04-23-2007, 09:37 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Hee! Hee! When ever I ride hubby's horse who is very very forward all I hear is LET GO OF HER MOUTH! Hee! Hee! Even I tend to hold on when going to fast for comfort...its a normal self preservation thing So I think your right in coming to that conclusion with your reins also I think your bit works a bit like a gag with poll and added bit pressure which is fine for western discipline because you ride with impulsion from the hind with little or no contact but may be a bit harsh if your riding english because you ask the horse to go through the movement therfore asking them to be on the bit. Have you ridden him in a plain fat snaffle? Perhaps you could give it a go....but little steps first I would try just changing the reins for now till you get the feel and then going back to the cottons later. Good on ya girl! Let us know how you get on. 8)
         
        04-24-2007, 04:50 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Yeah lol thanks for the advice.


    I don't know if I will be changing his bit. I think its fine for right now considering I do western riding and i'm not going to do any english. He actually has attitudes as a normal and I need the bit for every now and then when I need to straighten things out like when he goes to run or something it helps alot more than you might think. I don't really think its a harsh bit though hmm I can see if I can find a pic of it so you can see.
         

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