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    07-04-2012, 12:34 PM
Well, thank you guys for your replies:) Much appreciated.
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    07-04-2012, 01:00 PM
I was really hoping that someone actually tried this!

I have seen a couple of young horses in crossties rear up when having their feet worked on and hit their head. They quit rearing. But I agree with everyone that it doesn't really solve the underlying problem. Because it didn't make it any easier for the shoer to work on their feet, they just resorted to some other form of resistance.
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    07-04-2012, 01:22 PM
I've never seen someone use a balloon or egg. I have seen a baseball bat used though many years ago. He held it out above the horse's poll and let her come up into it and whack herself. I've also seen one pulled over and sat on. Both times it was an old "cowboy" type trainer.

I personally don't do rearers. A small protest rear I will deal with but when they go straight up, no thanks - plenty of horses out there to ride that don't rear and plenty problem horse trainers they can go to.
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    07-04-2012, 01:56 PM
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I've heard of someone doing it with a glass ketchup bottle. Apparently they say it worked.

I don't think its supposed to work by making them think they split their head open. 1) I would assume water balloons just plain scare or cause discomfort, thus pairing rearing with something unpleasant. Most horses don't like water in or around their ear. 2) doing it with anything hard would probably make them think there is something up there they can hit their head on. We has a mare who reared in the stall. She got high enough to hit the ceiling one time and left behind a quarter sized piece of fur and skin. Never saw her do it again.

Idk if I would be like "omg his front end popped up get the ketchup bottle!!!!!" But if I was at my wits end and have tried every "proper" way of fixing it I might give it a shot. Obviously this myth/rumor started somewhere! ;)
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    07-04-2012, 02:10 PM
Way back in the dark ages when I was a kid it was a huge thing to be chosen for the blacksmiths ride. The school I rode at used to hack a bunch of horses over to the forge a couple of times a year to be hot shod.

It was a fantastic day out, not only did we ride for free, but it was mainly across country and a couple of hours each way, ahh bliss.

The forge itself was a magical place where he made his own shoes, and each horse got a custom fit....so many good memories.

The point though, it was a very low building, and although he shod just outside the door most of the time, if anything was difficult or threatened to rear he would take them in and stand them under a low beam, if they tried to go up they would hit their head and that would stop that one pretty quick.

I can see how the balloon trick MAY cure rearing, but not convinced totally
    07-04-2012, 03:30 PM
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I agree with Golden Horse that any horse that is being difficult over their head say, mane pulling or even worming, put them in a stable with a low ceiling and they will not throw their heads up out of reach.

I do not disbelieve that hitting them over their heads when they rear works I just find it hard to believe that a rider on a vertical horse would have problems. Not so with the horse that is going half up that would be a lot easier.
    07-04-2012, 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by SlideStop    
I've heard of someone doing it with a glass ketchup bottle. Apparently they say it worked.

I don't think its supposed to work by making them think they split their head open.
If it's not supposed to make them believe they split their head open, then why would you smash a glass ketchup bottle on them? What would that accomplish besides making the horse believe he split his head? I don't understand.
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    07-04-2012, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by katbalu    
If it's not supposed to make them believe they split their head open, then why would you smash a glass ketchup bottle on them? What would that accomplish besides making the horse believe he split his head? I don't understand.
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I would just like to say that *I* personally have NEVER done this, nor would ever use a glass bottle. I think it'is more for the effect that they reared and hit their head on something. They feel the pain and say "gee, somethings up there". I don't think they need the mellow dramatics of ketchup/egg/water running down their faces. Like I said, one of the mares nailed her head on a beam, never did it again. Another horse I know is constantly getting cut up. If the streaming blood worked that horse should be just about out of things to injure herself on.

Like I said, would I do it with glass? No. But making a horse think they nailed their head seems like a far better alternative then dog food when its last resort situation.
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    07-04-2012, 04:59 PM
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I've done both. And also have popped one between ears with my hand. It works very well, with the following caveat. Egg gives odd sensation as yolk and white run down face, and the pop of the bottle has the sound. I prefer egg. Have known water balloons done too.

But rider needs to be able to ride horse immediately forwards, not give horse time to react in any way but to rider's direction.

It needs to be done ideally with a horse that is developing the habit of rearing to escape work. One that is just beginning to get light in the front end and has started up is when you need to use this. It works, for much the same principle that having a horse bump its head when attempting to load in trailer keeps it from being loaded easily again, at least not without some work.

The horse does not know what has happened, or whether there is a ceiling, if you will above it, and will not continue to go up since it "can't". Therefore it doesn't attempt to rise up.

And you don't carry all of the odds and ends with you on every ride. Just like with the use of a horseshoe nail, stiff brush or point of elbow with a biter/nipper, you set up the situation where the horse is going to try to rear to get out of work. Horses balks and does this at beginning, middle of trail and you know it will rear? There is where you are aiming for.

Horse does this trying to get it in gate, you do the correction there. Etc, etc.

You have ridden out KNOWING the horse will display this at some point, and you are ready for that.

You also can, when horse starts to rear in protest when working in ring, pop with flat of hand the second feet start to rise. Or whenever necessary to reinforce it is a good idea to not go up.

The other methods apply too, as you have shot weight forwards, giving rein, and if horse continues to rise, pop with whatever.

People are way too quick to dismiss the old methods, and want to come up with all sorts of reasons they don't, won't, have never worked. Those people are wrong in their assumptions.

This does work. But if you are too scared to do it, then you don't need to, as you won't be able to pull it off. Horse already has your number, and knows you are weaker than it is.

And too, these methods, when you have a horse that has gone straight up and is about to go over, too late then.
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    07-04-2012, 05:10 PM
^^^ ahhh, so just like any other method, timing is the key.
Thanks Palomine, I was curious since katbalu started this thread. I hate a rearing horse and won't ride one anymore, but in the past I have kicked out, pulled them over and sat on their heads...sounds cruel, but it worked in the cases I have used it.

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