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        06-30-2009, 04:01 PM
      #1
    Green Broke
    Exclamation Way over frusteration point!! :(

    I've basically done right now. Chance was so good for the past few weeks even times where I couldnt come up for a week so I just groomed... well these past 3 days I've ridden OR played with her she's bucked, bolted, kicked out.....

    I got on today and she just was braceing her neck, bolting to where SHE wanted to go.. there was no compromise..

    I finally said fine you wanna go? Go! And put her on the 12' line nad just run her fast because I was way over frusturation point. Pulled her to make her change direction. When I did get back on she still did it, which lead me to kicking and one rein stoping HARD, slapping her bneck etc im sure I ruined our relationship at the moment.... but Honestly! Im really sick of this amazingly good where you think ur getting somewhere then .. the next day its like she hasn't been ridden!


    And Its not fair to her because I want to ride w.t.c and jump.. I want to show.. I don't want to spends years on ground...... I love ground work and playing but I've done to much of it! So it all leads me to pushing her.. even though we've done ALL of the stuff im asking for.. even if it means trotting in a 20 meter circle! Or cantering around. I swear she's bi polar. Again One day we are w.t.c and jumping, next we can't even trot half the arena.

    I want to send her to a trainer, but my mom just WONT. "thats to far away" "thats to exspensive"


    Sorry Im just ranting. I need some supportive advice or some thing I can do. :(
         
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        06-30-2009, 04:36 PM
      #2
    Foal
    My mare used to do the same exact thing. We have been together for almost 10 years and early last winter I came to my breaking point with her. One day she would be Wonderful and no matter what I asked there was nothing she wouldn't do and the next day I couldn't even lead her down the isle because she had decided that she wanted to be a brat. She would rear and buck and really get dangerous to the point that I would have to lounge her or just put her away and leave for the day. All we would do is beat on eachother and I had had it with the whole situation. I put her up for sale and was ready to be done with horses forever when my trainer stepped in and took over. It turned out that it wasn't the training that had been put on my horses that was the issue but the relationship itself that was the problem Dina (my mare) had learned patterns off behavior with me and she was stubborn enough that she wasn't going to let me break them and she knew how to push my buttons and make me put her away for the day. We spent two months just hanging out while my trainer went through and re established the rules. It was a total relationship therapy for us and it saved us. Dina and I haven't had so much as a disagreement in over a year and when I run across a problem I have the answers to put us back on track without starting a fight.

    I don't really know your history but it sounds to me like yo and chance have the same problem as dina and I did. There seem to be established ways for her to push your buttons and get what she wants even if it means making you angry and frustrated. She has probably learned that if she sticks to it long enough you will give up and unfortunatly the only way I see to safely break that pattern is for someone else to step in and help you. (although I am not a horse trainer so I could be wrong). If you can't send her to a trainer then my suggestion would be to either get lessons or consider looking for a new horse. I know it is hard but obviously something has to change for you. Whatever you decide, I just want you to know that others have been there and lived through it. You and your horse can get through this and you will be a better rider for it. I am sending you good thoughts and wish you all the best.

    Sorry I didn't have anything more helpful to say.
         
        06-30-2009, 04:41 PM
      #3
    Yearling
    One of the horses I ride, Lola, is only six and she is exactly like that. Some days she will be a real brat on the ground, or bucking when you ride her (she once knocked someone over when she bolted) and other days she will be a perfect angel. I just looked at her description thingy and it said that Chance is only five years old, so maybe she just had extra energy stored up or something. But I know how you feel- it's actually kind of disappointing to think that you've finally made a breakthrough training a horse, and then they just randomly go back to the way they were before. It might have just been because she hasn't had as much training as an older horse, since she is only five? What my riding instructor said yesterday when I was riding Lola is that she is just waiting for you to get fed up with her, and then you pull on her mouth or get mad, and then she has a REASON to just go crazy because you might be being too rough because you are mad. I would say maybe doing a little lunging before you get on if she has extra energy stored up, and then mount up. I'm not exactly a training expert so other people can probably advise you better. Whatever you do, don't get mad because then she will feel it. I understand how you feel, though, it's so frustrating when they're like that.
         
        06-30-2009, 04:58 PM
      #4
    Green Broke
    Thanks you guys :) I practically broke chance myself, so I know she knows what Im asking of her. It could be a relationship problem... but she follows me around everywhere, nickers for me, chases me ect.

    UGH! I didnt think about that whole they learn when you get frusterated you give up... When I use to take lessons with her she went bronco because she could stand all the choas. She didnt mind Privet lessons so much.. but she still was confident with me pay attention to teh instuctor rather then her.
         
        06-30-2009, 05:15 PM
      #5
    Green Broke
    Have you ruled out saddle issues, sore muscles, back out (chiropractic)?

    When my horse is hurting or something is going on he'll act out when I get on his back. So I know somethings up. When he's just throwing a tantrum he'll swish his tail or growl.

    Does she do it all the time? Is this behavior new?

    If she's fine on the ground but not when you get on her that seems like it could more than just an attitude. But if you rule everything else out, then yeah, may be an attitude issue.
         
        06-30-2009, 05:27 PM
      #6
    Green Broke
    Ever since she had a back 'injury' I ALWAYS keep that in check. And theres no Syptoms of it being her back.
         
        06-30-2009, 05:37 PM
      #7
    Started
    Just an observation, but as all of the horses mentioned so far with these issues appear to be mares, could they perhaps be in heat during these outbursts? I've never owned a mare myself, so I don't know... not to discount the importance of the relationship, just an observation.
         
        06-30-2009, 05:39 PM
      #8
    Green Broke
    Its a mare thing... Which is why I think im ready for a gelding lol. But No she's not. I wish I could use that as an excuse.. but maybe she's going into it.
         
        06-30-2009, 05:51 PM
      #9
    Green Broke
    If it's hormones that can make a mare really uncomfortable. We have a couple where I board that were put on implants and they settled down and were perfect to deal with.

    You might ask your vet about it if you think it's heat cycle related.

    And since you mentioned that she had a back injury are you sure she's not having issues? Also, she just may be expecting it too hurt because she was hurt before.
         
        06-30-2009, 05:57 PM
      #10
    Yearling
    I have heard the implants work wonders too. I am currently trying out mare magic that is supposed to work great. Its only been a few weeks and they say it doesn't really kick in until a month. However I have little opportunity to ride her because its so dang hot. However when I have ridden her she has been much calmer, no bucking, bolting, etc. its really cheap, worth a try and all natural.... I will update you as I plan to get her back on track this weekend, hopefully its cooling off a little.
         

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