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post #1 of 25 Old 06-23-2008, 03:41 AM Thread Starter
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We cant BACK UP!

Im getting really really frustrated too! Like this mad >>

I've done the excersize on the ground, where I stand on one side and squze the halter back and if she dosent step back I take my hand side to side. And continue until I get a good pace. Which she does really well now.

I've done the thing where you jiggle the rope side to side till she backs or flip the rope up if she dosent back. And then "pet" the rope so she walks forward. And do it again...She does that well to!

Then in the saddle, when pulling back dosent work, I've raised the one rein (depending on what foot will back first) and leaving the other in the normal position and if her leg dosent back I give little squeezes with my hand. Then when it backs I lower that rein and lift the other. She isnt goot at that.

Then I've done the raise one rein and when she backs the leg I Lower it in an outward circle, while she is raising and lowering her leg so the rein is "attached" to her leg. That didnt work.

I've tried asking really softly...dosent work.

Weve done the game where we step back a number of times then step forward an x number then back an x number.

Also tried backing then trotting off.

We still can't back!

Im not on my pubic bone, so im not in go position. My shoulders are back and lowered. My elbows are on my side. I just don't get it. She can do it in ground work why not under saddle!
Help me please cause I want to rip her head off!

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post #2 of 25 Old 06-23-2008, 05:21 AM
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Teach her to back using the bridle just like you did with the halter and lead rope from the ground. Then when you get back on her, she'll know exactly what you are wanting her to do.

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post #3 of 25 Old 06-23-2008, 05:46 AM
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Teach her to back using the bridle just like you did with the halter and lead rope from the ground. Then when you get back on her, she'll know exactly what you are wanting her to do.
That's a pretty good idea too.
But...
When you're on your lovely mare of yours be in your normal position etc. Tighten the reins, squeeze with your calves and then slightly pull back on the reins, but just a couple of centimeters! All horses can really back up with those aids, so try that and tell me if it works!
I hope I helped!

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post #4 of 25 Old 06-23-2008, 09:13 AM
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I use verbal commands when backing. The way I do it is I want my horse to understand at least 3 verbal commands, whoa, back and walk. I do it all from the ground. As far as back goes I use little "pops" on the halter with backwards motion...like into their throat area. I say back with every pop...I'd say about as hard as you would pull on your friends hair...you know when you are being silly...and I walk "into" the horses space. If need be I will then touch their chest with my hand to reinforce the backing. Then when in the saddle it doesn't matter as much what position I am in ( who knows what I'll be doing when I need a back, pulling limbs, reaching for something etc) If I don't get a back with verbal commands I can pop the reins lightly but the same tempo that I used from the ground and voila we're going backwards. This is just the way I have always done it but we don't "do" any particular riding style either. I hope this has helped... If this wasn't clear let me know and I'll try to explain better.

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post #5 of 25 Old 06-23-2008, 09:27 AM
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Halt, then get a friend to come in and when you give the aid to reinback, get your friend to grab some shoulder and push her back. She will get it eventually. And talk to her

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I teach all the kids to back by voice, saying back and by tapping the chest/front of shoulder. I start with little taps and if they don't move work up to bigger taps till they back up. When in the saddle I say back, push my legs forward and tap at the shoulders with my feet to get them to back. Once they get it down I can move my foot further back to a less exagerated position. I ride western so it may be different for english. This is what works for me, not sure if its proper or not


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post #7 of 25 Old 06-23-2008, 02:47 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for all your guys help. I will be out at the barn tomorrow and try to do all the things on backing see if it will all sink in her head!
I'll keep you updated! Wish me luck!

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post #8 of 25 Old 06-23-2008, 03:30 PM
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After I've taught my horse to back up from the ground using my voice, I move to the saddle. I'll start from a forward walk then go to a halt. From there I'll ask for forward motion with my legs and body but hold him low with my hands. I'll tell him to "back" and softly tighten and loosen my reins while driving him with my legs. Sooner or latter he'll move back to relieve the pressure and at that very moment I'll release and pet him. The first few times it may nothing more then a half step but that is what I build on.

It doesn't come overnight or even in a few days. Some horses get it right away while others are very resistant. If a horse locks up when you ask for a back, then I circle him to soften him up and start again.

Good luck!

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I didn't read the responses so sorry if I repeat something. :)

I never used to be able to back Vega up in the saddle, but then one day I was determined and I made my body back up while in the saddle. It sounds really hard, but picture being in a rollie chair and if you want to back up, you'll like roll your hips backwards, until you get one side back, and then you do the same thing for the other side.
I just did it in my office chair and it worked.

I do that and barely use my reins and Vega backs up. Now it's just getting her to back up straight.
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post #10 of 25 Old 06-23-2008, 05:48 PM
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I teach all the kids to back by voice, saying back and by tapping the chest/front of shoulder. I start with little taps and if they don't move work up to bigger taps till they back up. When in the saddle I say back, push my legs forward and tap at the shoulders with my feet to get them to back. Once they get it down I can move my foot further back to a less exagerated position. I ride western so it may be different for english. This is what works for me, not sure if its proper or not
That was also going to be my advice. Working with your voice and teaching your horse voice commands is going to be a good start. Using artificial aids such as a dressage whip will help assist you in the beginning until you have it down pat, then work your way without it. Not much there is anything else that can be said that vida hasnt mentioned already.
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