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    07-23-2012, 10:12 AM
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Weird Issues?

I have a arab mare that I got this spring. She wasn't particularly well cared for before I got her, and it sounds like she was from a trader before that.

She had shoes on when I got her(march), he said he just put them on, but she had at least 1-2 inches of extra hoof. I pulled them, dewormed her, put her on a good feed, and got her teeth done. Which leads to issue #1

You can bridle her where ever you want, no issue, but other wise she DETESTS having her mouth touched. She needed double the normal sedetive to get her docile enough to have her teeth floated, and the vet actually brought up that she may have been mishandled in some way. Even with more sedative than it took to knock out a draft horse, she still was trying to avoid being touched.

Issue #2 she has been trimmed a couple times no problem, picks up her feet without issue. I went to get a set of shoes on her yesterday, and she was the worst I've ever seen. She would stand stock still to be trimmed and rasped, but as soon as he picked up a shoe she went nuts. She devoted every ounce of her determination into avoiding getting shod. You could see the difference : put down the shoe = relax, pick up the shoe = fight . My farrier is incredible, and did a great job, but I felt terrible.

What makes it really bizarre is I can do anything with her other wise. No problem lunging, tacking up, riding through or over anything. Trusts me to touch her any where, and do anything with her, just with these two exceptions. Has anyone ever seen a horse with these issues?
     
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    07-23-2012, 10:23 AM
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Green Broke
Well my little Arab mare needed 3 times the normal sedative for her teeth to be floated. The vet still remembers how hard a time he had with her. I didn't own her yet, she was still in foster but I kept the same vet. Come this next year we will see if from being handled and trained now if that will make a difference.

She doesn't have shoes so I am not sure on that part but if I was a betting person, I'd bet she would try to kick the farrier to the next town if he tried to put shoes on her.
     
    07-23-2012, 10:36 AM
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Yearling
My Arabs usually needed more sedatives. If her teeth were ok maybe there was a handling issue. Shoes, the set that was on her may have been the only set she has ever had on and it may have been a difficult shoeing.
     
    07-23-2012, 11:27 AM
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Weanling
Just a guess, but it suere seems to me like this horse has been shod by an owner looking to save a buck by shoeing themselves or a neighbor that "knows how" and has gotten them misapplied and probably nails through the whiteline. Probably just going to take time, and a few POSITIVE encounters with the farrier.. might try glue on shoes for a bit too.
     
    07-23-2012, 11:47 AM
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Well, its good you found these issues out now and not later. This way you can work on them. Its not a total shock that she needs a lot of tranq. Drafts can be the biggest light weights and mini's the biggest heavy weights. Things that affect how sensitive a horse is to tranquilizers are varied from genetics to how emotionally "high" they are. Is she good to worm? If not take a wormer syringe and fill it with applesauce or something good. Then she will associate the wormer with that good thing. I would assume that you could do the same thing with her teeth/mouth.

The feet it sounds like she had a bad experience and remembers the shoes. Which shows that she is smart. Which means you can teach her that its not a bad thing. If she does not need shoes I would hold off on having them put on. That way she does not end up with traumatic experiences while you work with her. I would see if you could get an old shoe. Then you could work on desensitizing her to the shoe being around and having that shoe touch her everywhere. You could eventually get to the point where you could "mock shoe" her with the shoe and tapping on it with a hoof pick.

I would work more on the farrier shoe issue because if she is really swinging around your farrier might say she is more work then she is worth and drop you as a client. Which means you might end up with a farrier who was harsh with her which would double or triple your problems. It sounds like the mare is genuinely scared so, I would take patience and time to work her through that. Its not a case where I would get into her face about this issue and be aggressive with her. These are just my thoughts and they may not be worth much.
     
    07-23-2012, 12:25 PM
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Is she good to worm?
almost immposible. But good to bridle. Her teeth were in decent shape, I just had them touched up.

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Which shows that she is smart. Which means you can teach her that its not a bad thing. If she does not need shoes I would hold off on having them put on. That way she does not end up with traumatic experiences while you work with her. I would see if you could get an old shoe. Then you could work on desensitizing her to the shoe being around and having that shoe touch her everywhere. You could eventually get to the point where you could "mock shoe" her with the shoe and tapping on it with a hoof pick.
To say she is smart is an understatement. She is EXTREMELY inteligent. I can rub her all over with the shoe, Bang on the shoe with a hammer right by her face, Hammer on her bare foot with a hoof pick. Stretch her legs any direction want. She knows that shoe in hand + lifted hoof = getting shod. She wont react to anything else. I always work with their feet lots before hand because I like my farrier and want him to come back.

I think its part fear and part stubborn determination.
     
    07-23-2012, 05:36 PM
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Weanling
Well, is there a particular reason she even needs shoes? There are many reasons as to why she could become upset when the shoes are brought out.
My mare hates shoes. They feel slippery to her and she gets nervous walking on concrete. Without shoes, she'll canter down the concrete driveway backwards.
She probably had a crappy farrier and it was a bad experience.
Unless she has special needs (navicular, laminitis, etc), I don't see a need to put shoes on anyway. Yeah, you might need to put some Venice Turpentine on her for awhile, or even toss a cheap pair of Easyboot Gloves on her front feet, but it's cheaper in the longrun, and she doesn't have to get her hooves hammered on anymore.
     
    07-23-2012, 05:45 PM
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Well, is there a particular reason she even needs shoes?
She only needs shoes a few months out of the year. We ride long distance with lots of rock and gravel, and in the mountains where we go it is extremely rocky with rock filled river crossings. I have yet to see a horse ridden longs days there for a weekend barefoot. She has gone all summer barefoot, but her hooves are worn down to the soles.

We wear out a pair of steel shoes(completely worn, cannot reset) in 6-8 weeks.
     

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