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post #11 of 21 Old 05-26-2011, 11:13 PM
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A German martingale is going to teach him (and you) how to feel "head down with the aid of a gadget." It will unfortunately not show you "round" or have lasting effects past when you stop using it.
A bit with leverage action is going to have consequences when you have a Hulk moment.
My honest advice to you is to speak with a good gadgetless trainer - maybe even do some dressage - and really learn what light and round is. Once you have that, you have the world at your feet.
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post #12 of 21 Old 05-27-2011, 11:20 AM
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I agree with JDI. If you need a german martingale or any other gadget then there is a hole or two that need filled up. I have no problem with any of the bits that you posted as long as your horse is ready for them. Bits with higher ports encourage tghe horse to break at the poll and carry thier head in a more vertical fashion. That hass became all the rage in the show ring lately but a horse can be just as heavy on the forehand and braced through the neck with its face vertical as it can with its nose stuck out in front of him.

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*sigh*. Yeah, I am afraid maybe some short cuts may have been taken in his training and I'm not sure I have the skills to fix it. We will see. I'm doing the best I can. I'm slowly dropping the german martingale but right now, I need it. I can't sit here and say I can do it on my own and I know it all. But I can say that I am really "hearing" all of you and I'm listening. I'm trying to follow the advice as well. But I must admit. I need some help. I feel strongly I CAN do it "on my own" but not without someone on the ground in person telling me what "to do". Because sometimes I think I've got it when I don't and other times I think I'm a mess, when I'm not all that bad...

It's hard. Sad now... :(

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Don't be too down on yourself, please. I firmly believe that taking a lesson from a good trainer once or twice a week should help tons. That way you can get professional advice from someone who has shown in your discipline/trained young horses/etc. and they can give you "homework" for you to do when you are riding on your own. If no one shows you how to do it first, then how are you supposed to know when it's right? (So even going to a barn and riding a school horse trained in whatever you want to do with your horse will help you get a feel for how it should be.)

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Don't be sad, but you do NOT need a German Martingale. Do not need. Do not.
What you need is someone to teach you "round." Once you have that "aha!" moment, I promise you will get it and won't even want any of your gadgets back - you will see what a real crutch they are.
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Trust me, I know training devices are bad. I weened myself off the draw reins and into the training fork and then to nothing but I ended up going flat and needed help to get back into the right frame. With the research I've done, the german martingale is the best one to use (when you must use one). I'm going to get myself out of it but right now I need my "ninny"...

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You are a good rider. What you need is a good trainer to show you how to ride round - right now you're just riding "head down."
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He's definitely moving from the rear now. We aren't heavy on the forehand anymore but it's hard and now I'm going to cry... sniff....

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Nope, you aren't going to do that. It is OKAY to not know!
I really hate to say it, but if Riley really was working from behind and round, his head would naturally fall into the right place.
I promise once you feel what round is, sans gadgets, you won't want to go back.
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Nope, you aren't going to do that. It is OKAY to not know!
I really hate to say it, but if Riley really was working from behind and round, his head would naturally fall into the right place.
I promise once you feel what round is, sans gadgets, you won't want to go back.
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I'll have to post videos. His head is actually fairly low on it's own. He carries it within about 2 inches of the withers high/low give or take. His head isn't really the issue...

He's english here...
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In western it does raise and lower some and he snakes a little (I think he's trying to find his balance) which I'm trying to get past.

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