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    05-20-2009, 09:40 AM
Just curious why do you want to do it? If he is most comfortable with english and that is what he has done in the past changing on him now when he is having issues just might become more of a problem. Some more sensitive horses get a little freaked out by the extra weight and bulk. If you are going to ride western so that you have horn to hold on to, then that is not a good reason. If you need to hold on to a horn to stay on then you are not balanced in the saddle. If it is because you are more comfortable in a western saddle and he is not affected by it, then that is fine.[/quote]

I would like to ride him western because when he spins back around to the barn I would like something to hold on to. I have plenty of balance or I would not ride english.if he does freak out I will dismount and get my english saddle.
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    05-20-2009, 03:21 PM
That's a perfectly good reason. When I go on trails, I almost always ride in my western saddle because it helps secure me in place should my horse decide to spin and dance and prance, and spook at something while galloping down the road. She doesn't act up often, but it makes me feel safer that I do have an "oh s**t" handle, just in case. =]

AND, she is a great dressage mount. =]
    05-20-2009, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by riccil0ve    
"oh s**t" handle, just in case. =]
ROFL! I thought we were the only ones who used that term!

Personally, I think the adage of "no good rider grabs the horn" is absolutely ridiculous. Let's see you saddle up a youngster or problem horse more interested in "bronc'in" and say the same thing. I've been on enough buckers and problem horses in my lifetime to respect the value of the horn when it becomes neccesary in teaching a horse manners - a horse that's able to dump you doesn't learn a darn thing. So I'll swallow my pride and grab the handle if it means the horse is going to come out with a new attitude.

As for the original post, it actually amazes me how my Arab mare knows the difference between English and Western. If I saddle her up Western with her hackamore, I get the nicest little jog and lope on a loose rein ever. English? She's champing at the bit and ready to jump! It definitely takes some time though, my mare was ridden "English" in a Western saddle most of her life, so it's taken me about 2 years to completely acclimatize her to being ridden on a loose rein with slow gaits.
    05-21-2009, 08:41 AM
Macabremikolaj that is what I say and when calvin spins he spins fast!
    05-21-2009, 09:45 AM
Every one of my saddles has a Night Latch on it. No matter how well trained my horse may be, you just never know.

A saddle horn will not do a good job of keeping you in the saddle in the case of a buck but a Night Latch will.
    05-21-2009, 12:12 PM
Ya it shouldn't hurt any. I think it makes them think more whenever you teach them both english and western. My boy gets verrrry bored just doing one thing so I plan on getting an english set of tack and teaching him some english stuff....Just to stretch his mind some more. He should love it.
    05-21-2009, 04:42 PM
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It could make your horse better, sometimes doing something different will keep your horse from just sour from whatever it normally does. It will also keep its mind learn and active.
    05-21-2009, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by iridehorses    
Every one of my saddles has a Night Latch on it. No matter how well trained my horse may be, you just never know.

A saddle horn will not do a good job of keeping you in the saddle in the case of a buck but a Night Latch will.
What's a night latch?? I've never heard of them! Haha, and isn't that the truth! My best friend owns a mare who's a WICKED bucker - she's managed to perfect this move where she jumps up enough to dislodge you slightly from the saddle, and then WHAM, slams your own saddle against your behind with a vicious buck. It's not often I grab horn, and I did with this mare, but every single buck was so powerful she managed to snap my grasp off the horn. I had one heck of a sore shoulder afterwards! I actually have pictures of the horrific purple and black bruises on the insides of my knees and my thighs from hanging on for dear life.

We've found out now that she has a severe issue with her hips that causes her pain when pressure is put on them, and her whole spine, so she's semi-retired and being re-trained as a driving horse now
    05-21-2009, 09:44 PM
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It is a strap or something a dog callor attached the the saddle gullet that makes a handy latch in case of bucking or any other reason you might feel the need for extra grap on the saddle.

Craig Cameron Night Latch: Craig Cameron
    05-22-2009, 08:43 AM
Hey I should get one of those thanks for the advice guys!

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