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post #11 of 18 Old 07-15-2008, 09:17 AM
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600 pts?
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post #12 of 18 Old 07-15-2008, 12:35 PM
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Have you tried lunging him with his head tied down? Or used draw reins?

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Please no tie downs or draw reins! Get your horse soft and supple, with lightness and softening exercises...as the first writter explained, it was an excellent explanation.... Artificial aids will not make your horse soft...

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My horse is perfectly soft to the bit and I have used draw reins on her. The only thing about draw reins is to not over-use them or they become heavy on the forehand.

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I think draw reigns and other training devices are great if used properly.

In all honosty, if the horse was shown as heavily as you are saying (although I think you might have meant... I don't know, 6 pts? or maybe 60 pts?) it is very possible that your problem is one of these 2 issues, maybe even both.

A - he's soured. If he's been shown that heavily, it happens and he needs a break.

B - It's rider error. If he's won tons of points like 60ish and has an ROM, then it's very very possible he needs a break. If you keep pushing him when he's rebelling that much, it's only goign to get worse.

I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to pinpoint your issue. What else is he doing?
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Nope, its def. 600. I'll pull out his papers, it may be a few less. But that boy was shown a bit and was quite the champion before he got sick.


But, I do agree with you completely. I think he's a little tired of it. He went from being in a shown barn 24/7 and at a new show every weekend to a small time barn with a little girl who just wanted a pony.


I did use draw reins with him and I refuse to use them again. They work with some horses, dont get me wrong. But not for him, he rebels.



The whole softening with countinous contact has been working MIRACLES. He really seems to be taking to it. I think I may bring him down to a nice soft bit too. He enjoys a nicer bit rather then the correction or curb.



I think part of the problem is me, but I dont think its that I'm pushing him too hard. It's that im not pushing him hard enough. I have terrible knees from sports so sometimes I dont train with him for a week at a time until I can bend properly again. They've gotten better but I still have to keep my training sessions short. Plus, and as embarassed as I am to admit this, I have a terrrrrrible temper and if we start to go downhill I'll start to lose my cool. Rather then take it out on him and be a mean jerk face to him I hop off and walk him out.

I'm going to be getting a new trainer soon and will hopefully be able to pay her a little extra to get on him once in a while when my knees are really bugging me. I may be getting surgery to fix them, so hopefully I'll be back to my 2 hour daily training sessions with him.


His old owner is a good friend of mine and when he started pulling this crap with me I e-mailed him. Apparently this isnt new? But he was able to work it out with him fairly quickly, while I cant seem to get him to do what I want.



Thanks for the ideas and help guys, really appreciating everything.

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well... It sounds like you are on the right track! Good luck to you. I know what you mean about the "temper" especially when you are a dealing with a been there done that horse. You just want to scream becuase you knwo that he knows what to do, he just chooses not to!

I get angry and then stiff and then it's all downhill, so I completely understand what you are going through. Good luck!

PS - somewhere you mentioned something about banding and I think you said like 38 bands... I looked on the internet, is it like braiding where there is supposed to be a specific number of bands when you do it? I do the best I can but my bands arent pretty yet (mane is still too thick - just keep pulling just keep pulling... )
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well... It sounds like you are on the right track! Good luck to you. I know what you mean about the "temper" especially when you are a dealing with a been there done that horse. You just want to scream becuase you knwo that he knows what to do, he just chooses not to!

I get angry and then stiff and then it's all downhill, so I completely understand what you are going through. Good luck!

PS - somewhere you mentioned something about banding and I think you said like 38 bands... I looked on the internet, is it like braiding where there is supposed to be a specific number of bands when you do it? I do the best I can but my bands arent pretty yet (mane is still too thick - just keep pulling just keep pulling... )

Yeah banding you're suppose to have a certain amount of bands, they dont count but it looks pretty.


If you want tips feel free to message me. I do it A LOT!

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