Western & English. Whats the difference?

       The Horse Forum > Training Horses > Horse Training

Western & English. Whats the difference?

This is a discussion on Western & English. Whats the difference? within the Horse Training forums, part of the Training Horses category

LinkBack Thread Tools
    01-22-2009, 02:40 AM
Western & English. Whats the difference?

What is the difference between western and english. I know the saddles are different, but I would like to dig further. How you ride? Haulters? Bits? Tack in general? What you do for ques?

Throw the answers at me. Lets here 'em!
Sponsored Links
    01-22-2009, 09:07 AM
Well, personally I view them both, essentially, the same. People often think in western you just neck rein and yee haw. In fact its very much like english is soo many ways. The main difference for me, aside from the tack, is the seat. English requires a little more forward seat.

Halters don't matter. Bit do differ depending on dicipline. When you get up to the higher levels of jumping and dressage you get more complicated leverage bits. But both dicipline "basics" are snaffles. Western builds up to curbs. Hackamores are used in both in some diciplines.

Aside from the saddlem, the bridle is different. English bridles have a built in caveson and, for me, long braided reins.
My western stuff for everyday riding is a black nylon one eared headstall (easier to clean nylon), a caveson, and a pair of heavy split reins.
The horse is booted up for both.
My cues are the same for both.
    01-22-2009, 10:08 AM
There are some differences aside from the visual ones.

Two big differences are (in general, there are exceptions):

English rides with contact - Western rides with loose rein.
...and related to the above
English is "directing" the horse on a more or less constant basis. A western horse is more of a "do this and keep doing it without further direction until told to stop."
    01-22-2009, 09:35 PM

Here is a video of my horse. The first portion is english and the second portion is western. Mabe seeing the differecne for your self will help you understand it better. =]
    01-22-2009, 10:04 PM
Form is also a big difference. In English you collect your horses head and round their bodies up more. In Western you have a lower headset. Also the riders position is a little different in how you sit in the saddle.
    01-22-2009, 10:52 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by Ruby Tuesday    
What is the difference between western and english. I know the saddles are different, but I would like to dig further. How you ride? Haulters? Bits? Tack in general? What you do for ques?

Throw the answers at me. Lets here 'em!
Well I think(and this is my opnion so NO ONE CHEW ME OUT ON THIS!) That english is harder. It is easier for an english rider to go western than vise-virsa. In english and western I use snaffle bits. English saddles are more designed to give you the forward position over the jump or in a dressage case a deep flowing seat. Western saddles are designed for comfort and long times in the saddle. And for the ques, english riders use their legs to push the horse in or out, your main goal in circles is to feel the horse bend around your leg and you always are useing a elastic contact with the mouth. The horses are also different. Western horses are more hardy and stocky, english horses on the other hand are elegant, and know how to put theirselves in a frame. English is more elegant and western is fast furious, and tight turns. I am an eventer and love it!
    01-23-2009, 04:10 AM

Sorry, I'm in love with this video, so I have to spam it all over the forum.
    01-23-2009, 12:11 PM
Chat Moderator
That video does a great job of showing the similarity between reining and dressage.

I ride western and to a some point I agree with StormyBlues, Western saddle is designed to using for a longer peroid of time. 12 to 16 hours in the saddle as a ranch saddle. Harder is questionable, reining to eventing I agree, reined cow horse to dressage, I don't think so.

The horses are also different. Western horses are more hardy and stocky, english horses on the other hand are elegant, and know how to put theirselves in a frame. English is more elegant and western is fast furious, and tight turns.
I agree with you on the horses 100%.

    01-23-2009, 12:12 PM
Great video, but I've got a couple observations/questions.

AT ANY POINT, if I miss somthin, or am wrong about somethin, feel free to corect me and tap me on the back of the head with the whip! No hard feelings will be taken..

OK, from what I see, when you first start out, that would be a "walk" right?

About :16 into the vid, I am assuming that you "changed gaits" right? What is this called?
Now in this pace, I am assuming that the inside leg is called the "lead" and that should always be the inside leg (with the exception of a cross canter, right?)
Now I am also assuming, that (since you were urning right for this portion) if you made a left turn, the lead would have changed, and that would be a "flying lead change"? (shooting in the dark here...)

I see the whole time that you have some pressure on the reins....now I'm assuming that you must have some leg pressure on the horse at the same time. Is that what the "collection" is all about? I'm assuming that's why the horses but seems to be slanted down in the rear, and tucked up underneith. Or do I got it wrong?

Then at 1:21, you change paces again. Iam assuming that is a trot (again, correct if wrong...carrots are appreciated for right answers though!!) and you are posting.

OK, I'll stop disecting there and come back to it later.

The second vid....Oh, I can train some of that stuff!! Like stand while being mounted....lol. We'll go from there and work on the rest later...maybey tommorrow. Lol that's some pretty ammazing stuff there!
    01-23-2009, 02:49 PM
I'll focus on the english part because I am an english rider.

The 4 gaits in english are

At the trot you can either sit or post. Posting is when you rise up out of the saddle everytime their outside shoulder goes forward. When you change directions, you sit 2 beats and when you rise again, you are on the diagonal. Diagonals is what you call the posting. As in, when you are trotting around, you are either on the correct diagonal or the wrong diagonal.

Here's a video of a posting trot. You can see as the horse's outside leg goes forward, the rider comes out of the saddle

There are also variations in the trot. You can have a sitting trot (which is usually slower than the posting trot), a collected trot and an extended trot. If you watch dressage videos on youtube, you'll see a difference in the horse's speed. The horse will also cover more ground with the extended trot.

Here's an example of a sitting trot. I was taught to make yourself like jello as you want to follow the movement of the horse

Here's an example of an extended trot

When you canter the horse, the leads are the same as in western. If you are going to clockwise, the horse would be on its right lead. If you are going counter clockwise, the horse would be on its left lead

Here's an example of a canter. At first the horse is on its left lead and then at about 13 seconds in, the horse does a flying lead change, changing to its right lead

Just like the trot, there are different variations in the canter. Working canter, collected canter and the extended canter.

I hope the videos helped

Quick Reply
Please help keep the Horse Forum enjoyable by reporting rude posts.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Difference between western saddles? Kiara Horse Tack and Equipment 3 11-15-2008 01:19 PM
Whats the difference? Gingerrrrr Horse Tack and Equipment 8 11-02-2008 12:42 PM
Western/English Differences... and Training Western Horse? FutureVetGirl Western Riding 2 08-25-2008 01:24 PM
from western to english? girl_on_black_pony English Riding 4 07-30-2008 10:22 PM
English or western? SonnyWimps Horse Tack and Equipment 7 02-25-2008 08:58 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:41 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0