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    01-22-2009, 02:40 AM
  #1
Foal
Western & English. Whats the difference?

What is the difference between western and english. I know the saddles are different, but I would like to dig further. How you ride? Haulters? Bits? Tack in general? What you do for ques?

Throw the answers at me. Lets here 'em!
     
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    01-22-2009, 09:07 AM
  #2
Weanling
Well, personally I view them both, essentially, the same. People often think in western you just neck rein and yee haw. In fact its very much like english is soo many ways. The main difference for me, aside from the tack, is the seat. English requires a little more forward seat.

Halters don't matter. Bit do differ depending on dicipline. When you get up to the higher levels of jumping and dressage you get more complicated leverage bits. But both dicipline "basics" are snaffles. Western builds up to curbs. Hackamores are used in both in some diciplines.

Aside from the saddlem, the bridle is different. English bridles have a built in caveson and, for me, long braided reins.
My western stuff for everyday riding is a black nylon one eared headstall (easier to clean nylon), a caveson, and a pair of heavy split reins.
The horse is booted up for both.
My cues are the same for both.
     
    01-22-2009, 10:08 AM
  #3
Weanling
There are some differences aside from the visual ones.

Two big differences are (in general, there are exceptions):

English rides with contact - Western rides with loose rein.
...and related to the above
English is "directing" the horse on a more or less constant basis. A western horse is more of a "do this and keep doing it without further direction until told to stop."
     
    01-22-2009, 09:35 PM
  #4
Weanling

Here is a video of my horse. The first portion is english and the second portion is western. Mabe seeing the differecne for your self will help you understand it better. =]
     
    01-22-2009, 10:04 PM
  #5
LMW
Foal
Form is also a big difference. In English you collect your horses head and round their bodies up more. In Western you have a lower headset. Also the riders position is a little different in how you sit in the saddle.
     
    01-22-2009, 10:52 PM
  #6
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Ruby Tuesday    
What is the difference between western and english. I know the saddles are different, but I would like to dig further. How you ride? Haulters? Bits? Tack in general? What you do for ques?

Throw the answers at me. Lets here 'em!
Well I think(and this is my opnion so NO ONE CHEW ME OUT ON THIS!) That english is harder. It is easier for an english rider to go western than vise-virsa. In english and western I use snaffle bits. English saddles are more designed to give you the forward position over the jump or in a dressage case a deep flowing seat. Western saddles are designed for comfort and long times in the saddle. And for the ques, english riders use their legs to push the horse in or out, your main goal in circles is to feel the horse bend around your leg and you always are useing a elastic contact with the mouth. The horses are also different. Western horses are more hardy and stocky, english horses on the other hand are elegant, and know how to put theirselves in a frame. English is more elegant and western is fast furious, and tight turns. I am an eventer and love it!
     
    01-23-2009, 04:10 AM
  #7
Weanling

Sorry, I'm in love with this video, so I have to spam it all over the forum.
     
    01-23-2009, 12:11 PM
  #8
Chat Moderator
That video does a great job of showing the similarity between reining and dressage.

I ride western and to a some point I agree with StormyBlues, Western saddle is designed to using for a longer peroid of time. 12 to 16 hours in the saddle as a ranch saddle. Harder is questionable, reining to eventing I agree, reined cow horse to dressage, I don't think so.

The horses are also different. Western horses are more hardy and stocky, english horses on the other hand are elegant, and know how to put theirselves in a frame. English is more elegant and western is fast furious, and tight turns.
I agree with you on the horses 100%.

     
    01-23-2009, 12:12 PM
  #9
Foal
Brittany,
Great video, but I've got a couple observations/questions.

AT ANY POINT, if I miss somthin, or am wrong about somethin, feel free to corect me and tap me on the back of the head with the whip! No hard feelings will be taken..

OK, from what I see, when you first start out, that would be a "walk" right?

About :16 into the vid, I am assuming that you "changed gaits" right? What is this called?
Now in this pace, I am assuming that the inside leg is called the "lead" and that should always be the inside leg (with the exception of a cross canter, right?)
Now I am also assuming, that (since you were urning right for this portion) if you made a left turn, the lead would have changed, and that would be a "flying lead change"? (shooting in the dark here...)

I see the whole time that you have some pressure on the reins....now I'm assuming that you must have some leg pressure on the horse at the same time. Is that what the "collection" is all about? I'm assuming that's why the horses but seems to be slanted down in the rear, and tucked up underneith. Or do I got it wrong?

Then at 1:21, you change paces again. Iam assuming that is a trot (again, correct if wrong...carrots are appreciated for right answers though!!) and you are posting.

OK, I'll stop disecting there and come back to it later.

The second vid....Oh, I can train some of that stuff!! Like stand while being mounted....lol. We'll go from there and work on the rest later...maybey tommorrow. Lol that's some pretty ammazing stuff there!
     
    01-23-2009, 02:49 PM
  #10
Trained
I'll focus on the english part because I am an english rider.

The 4 gaits in english are
Walk
Trot
Canter
Gallop

At the trot you can either sit or post. Posting is when you rise up out of the saddle everytime their outside shoulder goes forward. When you change directions, you sit 2 beats and when you rise again, you are on the diagonal. Diagonals is what you call the posting. As in, when you are trotting around, you are either on the correct diagonal or the wrong diagonal.

Here's a video of a posting trot. You can see as the horse's outside leg goes forward, the rider comes out of the saddle

There are also variations in the trot. You can have a sitting trot (which is usually slower than the posting trot), a collected trot and an extended trot. If you watch dressage videos on youtube, you'll see a difference in the horse's speed. The horse will also cover more ground with the extended trot.

Here's an example of a sitting trot. I was taught to make yourself like jello as you want to follow the movement of the horse

Here's an example of an extended trot

When you canter the horse, the leads are the same as in western. If you are going to clockwise, the horse would be on its right lead. If you are going counter clockwise, the horse would be on its left lead

Here's an example of a canter. At first the horse is on its left lead and then at about 13 seconds in, the horse does a flying lead change, changing to its right lead

Just like the trot, there are different variations in the canter. Working canter, collected canter and the extended canter.

I hope the videos helped
     

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