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post #1 of 8 Old 12-03-2009, 06:57 AM Thread Starter
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Western Horsemanship?

I've seen some horses trained using what the owners called 'Western Horsemanship' and I was wondering if anyone could give me any links to sites or give me tips about using western horsemanship on my horse? Cause I taught her to do bridless when I was 12 but I think I did it wrong and I'd like to do it the right way and also teach her some new stuff.

Also! This doesn't really have anything to do with this... well sorta... but I also taught her how to lie down and I can get on her and she gets up. I'll get pics of it. I thought it was cool. lol.

Things she knows (undersaddle):
Disengaging her hindquarters (thats how I turned her, and now I know thats not exactly right)
lying down on command
bridless work (has done jump courses and dressage tests bridless)
She will stop on a dime if I tell her to, but not as well without a bridle, she kind of takes a few steps then stops.

Things I'd like to teach her:
how to lunge her in a circle around me without a lunge line
how to spin (like they do in reining)
to follow me (like on Sydney Long's 'horse tricks on a beach' thing)
to ground tie
to back up while I pull her tail

I'd also like her to get REALLY good bridless.. and if theres anything you'd like to add to my little list, please do! And any 'how to' websites are much appreciated!

I also realize that this all sounds like regular horsemanship, too. So... yea.

**Also! I have dial-up so youtube doesn't really work for me, plus I have no speakers so no vids unless there isnt any NEEDED commentary and the video isnt rediculously long, k? lol

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post #2 of 8 Old 12-03-2009, 08:58 AM
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For the lunging/ following thing: find yourself a round pen. Get you and your horse in it, and go. Although you're not really supposed to, I use a lunge whip while free lunging, its just easier to get them moving when the see a lunge whip then when they see a hand waving at them. I taught my gelding how to follow me by just slapping my thigh in the round pen. When I was done lunging, I'd walk up to him, tell him good job, smack my leg and walk away...eventually he got it.

To teach her to spin: Thats a combination of stopping, backing up, and turning all at the same time, so you would first combine them all at a walk. Walk until you want and then stop and back up a few steps (to teach her to get her back legs under herself) while turning her in the direction you would want to spin. Do this until she has it pretty much down, and the progress to doing it at a trot.

To ground tie: This isn't neccesarily how its done, this is just how I did it. Drop your lead rope onto the ground and wait. When your horse moves, tell her to "stand" or whatever you want the command to be. If she starts actually walking away, back her up more steps than she took (two steps forward, three steps back) then stop her and tell her to "stand" again. If she stands there for even increments of time (five, ten, fifteen minutes, etc, etc) reward her.

Sorry I can't help with the backing up!
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To teach her to spin: Thats a combination of stopping, backing up, and turning all at the same time, so you would first combine them all at a walk. Walk until you want and then stop and back up a few steps (to teach her to get her back legs under herself) while turning her in the direction you would want to spin. Do this until she has it pretty much down, and the progress to doing it at a trot.
Don't back your horse when you start to turn it. A spin is a forward gate in a small circle. You need to keep forward motion to get a good spin. You need to walk your horse in smaller and smaller circles untill the hindquarters stop and the front moves over. Only go maybe a quarter of the way around then walk your horse forward. By walking forward you are teaching the horse to anticipate forward movement and keep the hindquarters under it in order to move forward. When you get good going 1/4 turn do a half turn and so on. Do not make your horse back or they will not crossover correctly and you will end up with a jerky spin. Larry Trocha is a pretty succesful reining horse trainer and if you look up his website he goes step by step about how to do many reining manuvers.

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Ok well, I'll give my part on the lunging (even though I think justsambam is right too). A lot of people think you need a round pen to do this. You don't. It's all about how you apply the pressure. You don't want to give too little or too much, you want to keep the horse's curiosity on you with just the right amount of pressure, by doing this, they will not want to take their eye off of you and therefore, will not take off and run away. I learned this from Monty Roberts. But since you are starting off, you may want to wait on this and try the round pen first just until you know how much pressure she needs and when to lay off the pressure. I hope this makes sense.

To teach a horse to spin, obviously you want them to get their back legs under themselves as justsambam said. What I saw one time was a trainer was trotting their horse around a circle and gradually made it smaller and smaller until the horse had no choice but to spin. I'm not exactly sure I agree with the way he did it, but thats the only thing I saw on that, fortunately, my girl is very responsive and turns real fast depending on how much pressure I put on her with my leg and if I'm cueing her with clucks or not.

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About the lunging around me: just to clarify, I mean when in a wide open space, I still want her to make a nice circle around me, free lunging, close to me.

Thanks for the tips on the spinning, everyone! they're great!!

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I always thought Western Horsemanship was pattern work...?
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Similar to reining.

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Yea, I realized that who I asked called it the wrong thing. I feel dumb now lol. BUT I'd still like help! - on regular horsemanship lol

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