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post #41 of 45 Old 05-13-2014, 06:32 PM Thread Starter
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LOL - honestly, Tinyliny, "mas confused" should be my first name .... it applies to more than just horses, I'm afraid!

Okay, so first lesson with new trainer went really well. She has an advantage by owning some *very* well trained horses. I rode one of them and she rode my gelding. There was no more talk of changing tack, although she rode Stormy in a Kimberwicke, as opposed to asking *me* to ride him in a Kimberwicke.

We worked on maintaining gait, proper foot position, the English version of roll-backs and using legs (mine) for turns. Her son worked with finding the "buttons" on my Western trained mare. All in all, I think a pretty successful day.

I'm guessing that her ideas on tack were given before we decided that I needed lessons as badly as my horses, as there were no more mentions of it. I think for the time being they feel most comfortable with their own tack.

My mare, Sass, was moving better than I had ever seen before - no more snake-face ugliness. Stormy, the gelding, wasn't terribly happy at first, but after a while he was bringing his ears up and had a softer face. I think that says a lot right there.

Thank you all again. And Sr. Dauphin, your article (Equitation vs. Horsemanship) was excellent, thank you. It never occurred to me to separate the two, but of course, I have had close to no actual equitation, which I'm starting to see is about as important as the Horsemanship, unless you want to really mess with your horse's head; without it, life is much more confusing .... although I do agree that Horsemanship can hardly be ignored.

Perhaps this is the one 4h leader that is good with horses and riding? Could be, maybe? I have heard that before, though -not a terrible surprise. Actually, have heard much worse when it comes to competition when it involves kids, horses and overly-expectant parents.
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Thanks, and for the record I AM a 4 H leader, but I surely understand how one can get such an opinion. Here, at least, we have a program sponsored by the LSU Ag Center called the La Master Horsemen ( the 'master' part goes with all of the ongoing education programs like 'master cattlemen' 'master gardeners', etc.). This program's purpose is to train adults as leaders to help the kids. To date we have about 600 graduates statewide who put on free monthly clinics and horse camps for each Parish's 4H youth. This way the youth hear a fairly consistent message and we have many adults volunteering both their time and expertise.
Not offended at all, just saying that things vary from area to area. I can say that South La has been kicking N La's tail mostly because of this program's strength in the southern parts.
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Originally Posted by bbsmfg3 View Post
If you want to get hurt, just ride a horse with a bit of an attitude in an english saddle. Then ride that same horse a with good western saddle, huge difference both in confidence building and security of seat.
I've ridden plenty of horses with major 'tude over the years in English tack and managed not to get hurt. This quote of yours has more to do with your lack of ability and training than style of tack.

If education and instruction are confusing to you, maybe you need to go back to the raw basics and start over. Your lack of true understanding in how to handle and ride horses is glaringly obvious.
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I, too, have been a 4-H leader for over 40 years. I have coached several State Champions and served on the State 4-H council for two 3 year terms. I have known several other outstanding 4-H horse leaders along with several other leaders that personified 'back-yard' horse-person wannabes.

Of course, they always owned a back-yard stud that would have not made a decent gelding. I asked one once "What qualities your stud to be a sire?" She quickly said 'Well, he got in a fence when he was two and was not sound enough to ride. So, what else could he do?" So he was breeding 4-H kids' mares for 'free' -- (like free is really free!)

So, I guess every 4-H volunteer should be measured by their ability to help the kids with whatever stock they have (no matter how sorry it is). We spend a lot of time, get few 'thank yous' but help support a lot of kids in an activity that keeps them off of the streets and hopefully, helps keep them safe while they have fun.
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I would think that having people skills is more important than animal knowledge, when it comes to being a good leader to a group of kids. having both would be great, but not every knowledgeable horse person has "kid skills".
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