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        12-29-2013, 02:05 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Hi SullysRider thank you for your response. He is stalled on the night and out to pasture in the day. He is always very content in his stable at night, however that may be something to think about, in the summer he is out 24/7 just the winter he is stalled a night.
    I will definitely consider your suggestion.
    Thank you very much x
         
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        12-29-2013, 02:13 PM
      #12
    Started
    Make sure you are doing TONS of groundwork before you mount up. Before you even tack up. As soon as he is out of his pasture and you are done grooming him, groundwork him over and over until he is focused on you and paying attention.

    When you are riding and the minute he starts acting up, turn his nose towards your toe until he stops, then hold it bit more. Then release his head and flex the other side of hisneck until he reaches his nose to you. You want him to release the pressure, so even if it takes all day, hold his nose there until he reaches in with his nose to take the pressure off. As soon as he does that, release.
    I would warm him up by a few walks around the arena, then trotting. I would say only start with walking and trotting until he is more well behaved and listens to you and respects you more. Make him trot and walk over things, anything. Make him do patterns and circles over and over. You need to give him a job to do so he is focused on doing the job and not focused on thinking what he can do to make you get off.
    If you fall off, either get back on and work him hard or groundwork him hard for a long time until he gets the message that what he did was wrong.
    Every time he does something bad like that, work him hard so he knows that when he does something bad then he knows he will need to do more work than usually if he didn't do something bad.
    If he does something good, reward him. Stop and let it sink in for a while, then continue your work slowly.
    He really needs to learn respect towards you and knowing rght from wrong. When my horses buck or roll when I am on them I work them hard. Even if they most likely won't do it again, I want to make sure they don't.
         
        12-29-2013, 02:24 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Thank you for your response I will definitely try that.
         
        12-29-2013, 02:34 PM
      #14
    Yearling
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        12-29-2013, 02:35 PM
      #15
    Yearling
    I really don't know as much as many on here but I have a horse, the one in my avatar, who is a little like yours. April is 13 yo Paint who needs work at least 3 times a week or she is difficult and naughty. And she hates stalls, must have pasture. She is hot blooded, heavily muscled and athletic.

    I make sure of the following:

    1. Only I ride her, or someone very capable, and I only have one other friend, Chuck, who can ride her. He LOVES riding her! But he can ride her naughties out too.

    2. She is out on pasture as much as possible where she can run and act crazy like she likes.

    3. She gets hay and grass, and her supplements. NO ALFALFA, OR SUGARY FEEDS!

    4. When we ride, we trot for a couple of miles nonstop at least 2X per week. She needs that to be relaxed and happy. She craves a good long trot before she can do anything requiring thought or calmness.

    5. She doesn't respond to spanking or angry voices. She needs calm attitudes and extra work as her consequence for bad behavior. She gets worked up by circling, so we do serpentines and figure 8's.

    6. She has a cold back so she must warm up first before I saddle or mount. I know some people think its a pain, but we always warm up (walking, lunging, stretching) before we tack up.

    I love this horse and she cares for me. I know that sounds weird but she takes care of me and has never hurt me, even after I was hurt in a motorcycle accident and was on a walker for 4 months. But she expresses her opinion and she could hurt others.

    This is what I figured out for her. Plus, anytime you can ride 3 days in a row really helps!

    Wishing you the best!
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        12-29-2013, 02:42 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Thank you for your reply. I usually try to ride everyday however with winter here I'm struggling to ride him much. I never shout at him or spank him as he doesn't respond to that and to be honest I wouldn't do that to him. I think I will try trotting him nonstop for a while and working him hard in circles and things. Again thank you for your reply.
    Just like you I love my baby so much and he loves me back. He never intentionally would hurt anybody it's just with his size and temperament he unfortunately hurt my family member. He has never hurt me and always looks after me.
    Thank you
         
        12-29-2013, 02:42 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Thank you for your reply. I usually try to ride everyday however with winter here I'm struggling to ride him much. I never shout at him or spank him as he doesn't respond to that and to be honest I wouldn't do that to him. I think I will try trotting him nonstop for a while and working him hard in circles and things. Again thank you for your reply.
    Just like you I love my baby so much and he loves me back. He never intentionally would hurt anybody it's just with his size and temperament he unfortunately hurt my family member. He has never hurt me and always looks after me.
    Thank you
         
        12-29-2013, 03:10 PM
      #18
    Foal
    I have a couple of questions please.
    How long have you had him?
    What do you use him for?
    How often do you see him?
    How many different people ride him?
         
        12-29-2013, 03:24 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    These kinds of issues can be caused and exacerbated by millions of different things. Nobody here on the internet will be able to pinpoint or remedy it for you. They can also end up giving you advice without being able to see the situation that can cause you or other people harm. Even if a horse doesn't intend to injure you, you can become permanently injured or disabled and unable to function as you once have in a sudden and single incident. Don't dwell on the horse's intentions or whether he loves you or not because frankly it's irrelevant. He will not be looking after you and will just react if it is something causing him pain. Horses just react and they don't think about why they react or the damage they can cause so scrap that naive mentality and think about your safety first and foremost.

    The only way you can hope to resolve this issue is to have professionals on the ground working with both you and the horse. You can't completely rule out medical issues as serious injuries and conditions can exist within a horse that is hard to pinpoint and diagnose. Have a saddle fitter evaluate the fit of your tack on both you and the horse. Even if the saddle fits the horse it may not fit you correctly which can irritate and cause pain to the horse. If it is something physiological you can do all the groundwork and training you want and still not solve the problem. It is also possible that you may have a habit or idiosyncrasy under saddle you are not aware of that may also provoke the horse into behaving this way. If it is a matter or him bullying you he knows this behavior intimidates you and you may be sending him messages that further exacerbate his behavior. As I previously stated, since nobody here can see the situation, it is difficult to truly know so rely on help from a professional and not here on the internet.
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        12-29-2013, 03:26 PM
      #20
    Foal
    However we can't tame him fully, most people say he's crazy and danger to us all, basically he reared with me vertically in the middle of a 60mph road!
    No matter how much schooling we do he bucks around, rears and is naughty all the time.
    Today he proved how bad he could be when he threw my family member off and snapped his collar bone clean in half!
    Basically I need some answers as we cannot carry on like this because one of us will end up seriously injured like my family member today.

    You "can't tame him fully, people say he's crazy & a danger. He reared vertically in he middle of a 60 mph road...He bucks, rears & seriously injured a family member & your asking what to do??????? I don't understand your reasoning!! Keep him & someone will get seriously hurt??????
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