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        12-29-2013, 05:29 PM
      #31
    Teen Forum Moderator
    Perhaps he just isn't an arena work type horse? I have no solution really, as I'm young and fairly inexperienced myself, and don't know if that is "fixable" but I've heard of many horses who just get bored silly in arenas and start making trouble. Maybe he's one of those guys.

    Either way I don't think OP's age should have anything to do with the replies given that it really doesn't matter when it comes to skill level. I can ride and train circles around many adult riders whom I have met, and I've met 13,14,15 year olds who can ride circles around me. It really just depends on the training you've had and your aptitude for handling certain horses.
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        12-29-2013, 05:30 PM
      #32
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Princess42    
    Well I'm afraid I have different views to you all! I would easily give my life for an animal. To me he's worth being seriously injured and I would never put him to sleep. No chance!
    I would rather get seriously injured than sell him, and I'm not young check my profile, I'm a zoologist.
    I highly doubt you are an adult and what you are saying is incredibly childish and naive. You have a very shallow understanding of horse behavior and the consequences that can arise from it. A horse can kill you regardless of his intentions so quit fantasizing that nothing can happen to you because he loves you or you love him.
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        12-29-2013, 05:32 PM
      #33
    Foal
    I think you might be right because anywhere else he is he's good as gold, its just in the arena that he has problems. Maybe he just needs to hack and not be schooled?
         
        12-29-2013, 05:38 PM
      #34
    Foal
    Please stop with all this he's going to kill you and stuff. It's been taken way out of proportion he's a lively chap who doesn't like arena work, you've got to understand he hasn't been worked for a year.
    Leave me and my horse alone unless you have some good advice. People are taking this way out of what it is, he rears and bucks in the arena but otherwise he's a darling!
    I've won competitions on this horse for god sake.
    So please just leave it, I love him and other than in the arena he's no danger ever!
    Thank you for understanding
    Now good bye
         
        12-29-2013, 05:44 PM
      #35
    Green Broke
    Don't ride him in the arena, Problem solved!
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        12-29-2013, 05:48 PM
      #36
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Princess42
    So please just leave it, I love him and other than in the arena he's no danger ever!
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    Originally Posted by Princess42    
    However we can't tame him fully, most people say he's crazy and danger to us all, basically he reared with me vertically in the middle of a 60mph road!
    Apparently not the case...
         
        12-29-2013, 05:51 PM
      #37
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Princess42    
    Hi there, basically I have a 17hh Irish sports horse who is rising 11. He has always been a handful and about a year ago we learnt that he was rearing and throwing us off out of pain due to a knotted muscle. We had a masseuse out and the knotted muscle was sorted. He was then out of work for a year whilst he recovered fully. Unfortunately he is one of those horses who if he isn't ridden everyday or atleast 3 times a week he will go back to his naughty self. We started to back him again and now have him at point where we can take him out without any major problems. However we can't tame him fully, most people say he's crazy and danger to us all, basically he reared with me vertically in the middle of a 60mph road!
    No matter how much schooling we do he bucks around, rears and is naughty all the time.
    Today he proved how bad he could be when he threw my family member off and snapped his collar bone clean in half!
    Basically I need some answers as we cannot carry on like this because one of us will end up seriously injured like my family member today. He's no monster so please do not label him as one! He's one of the kindest most loving horses I've ever met he just has trouble with the riding and training side. I really need some answers now! Please do not tell me to sell him as that is not an option, I love him too pieces and will not sell him even if he is a danger to me which I do not believe he is. I have rode him in many competitions and got many firsts from him, I just need him to be good for me as I can't trust him with anybody but myself it would seem! Does anybody have an answer for me?
    Again please do not label him as a ticking time bomb or monster because he is my baby and I will not accept him being spoken of like that, he is also very strong and muscular.
    Thank you
    Princess42 x
    Just a lively chap, is he? He's got the run on you, no matter how "bonded" the two of you are.
         
        12-29-2013, 05:57 PM
      #38
    Foal
    I'm confused. You started the thread by saying that he reared on a road and broke a family member's collar bone. Now you're saying he just "lively" and only has issues in the arena. Last time I checked a paved road was not an arena.

    Whatever you decide to do I would certainly hope you won't allow anymore family members to ride him. You can make your own informed decision, it isn't fair to put other people in harm's way.
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        12-29-2013, 06:04 PM
      #39
    Super Moderator
    I think you are being very unrealistic. I think you are living in the land of denial. Pure luck is the only reason you have not been injured severely if this horse went straight up with you on a busy highway. You only get so many chances like this. Pure luck is all that has kept you and others from being killed. Everyone's luck runs out sometime. I also think you are in waaaay over your head. I also do not think this is a 'sweet' or 'kind' or 'loving' or your 'baby' or any of the other endearing human qualities you insist on giving him. He is very simply a very spoiled horse! He simply has no manners and no regard for anything a rider wants him to do when he does not want to do it. In a word he is just disrespectful -- and very spoiled.

    Can he be fixed? -- probably. Who can fix him? -- someone who is very good at re-schooling spoiled horses. You do not fix a badly spoiled horse by just riding them hard and repeating the same kind of riding that they have been repeatedly misbehaving during before. You just cannot keep repeating the same kind of riding over and over and expect different results.

    If I were going to tackle a horse like this one, I would start with putting him on a 14 -16 foot rope and make him go through some really tough exercises on the ground. [Everyone -- don't faint! I am actually advocating groundwork!] Not just any groundwork but very tough groundwork and would demand absolute 100% obedience. I really do not think YOU will put this kind of pressure on this horse -- but this is what he needs.

    I have taken spoiled horses and worked them on the back-side of a pond dam. They went up the dam, down the dam, jumped a big dead tree at the bottom of the dam and gone back up it again. They were made to go forward when I wanted them to, stop and reverse when I wanted them to, stop and back up 20 feet or more when I wanted them to, jump the tree when I wanted them to again and on and on and on. They did not get to rest until they were told to stand -- and even then, they were made to stand perfectly still. They were made to back up 20 feet or more at least a dozen times.

    After 3 or 4 of these really tough, demanding works, I would saddle this horse right after a ground work and I would start ground driving him. I have found that they will do about anything wrong driving that they will do under a rider except buck. Rearing, refusing to go forward and head fighting will be the same in driving lines as under saddle.

    I would put in several of these ground driving sessions and then I would try riding him for a brief period of time right after a hard workout. I would ride him while he was still sweating and puffing. I would keep doing this routine but for a longer time each ride. Always keep the riding sessions pretty short and ALWAYS try to quit while you're ahead. Never push a horse too far and then have to quit because the horse quit you first.

    I also usually do not advocate the kind of flexing on the ground that Clinton Anderson uses so much of, but I think this horse should be taught to flex any and every time he is asked. I would follow this up under saddle. This gives any rider a very good 'one rein stop'. This means that any rider can take this horse's head away from him the instant they want to. The second this horse does anything the rider does not like or thinks will lead to a fit, the rider can take the horse's head away and keep it at their knee until the horse gets his thinking straight. It is like installing an 'off switch' in any horse. Once they have been taught this maneuver correctly, they will just stop and give you their head and stand there.

    I do not really think you are going to put enough pressure on this horse or be demanding enough to reform his bad behavior, but this kind of program can turn him into an obedient horse. Right now -- yes -- you have a ticking time bomb and a short fuse.
         
        12-29-2013, 06:09 PM
      #40
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    Perhaps he just isn't an arena work type horse? I have no solution really, as I'm young and fairly inexperienced myself, and don't know if that is "fixable" but I've heard of many horses who just get bored silly in arenas and start making trouble. Maybe he's one of those guys.

    Either way I don't think OP's age should have anything to do with the replies given that it really doesn't matter when it comes to skill level. I can ride and train circles around many adult riders whom I have met, and I've met 13,14,15 year olds who can ride circles around me. It really just depends on the training you've had and your aptitude for handling certain horses.
    Sorry-I disagree. Age has a LOT to do with it. Altho I don't think the OP lives in the US, I believe that the parents, as legal owners could be held liable if someone got hurt---or worse. I also would doubt that any parent who knew their daughter had a dangerous horse, would allow her to continue to just think he is just naughty. Parents PAY for the privilege of their child having a horse. Unfortunately, some have NO CLUE whether the horse is appropriate or not unless the "child" tells them, and in this case-I am sure they believe all os good. I am sure that what happened today was some "freak accident".
         

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