Originally Posted by Diegosmom
He is on a snaffle right now.He is fully trained I guess im just haveing a hard time with stopping.
He may be fully trained, but sounds like you're not (said respectfully). If he's got the training but you are too heavy handed (meaning you stop with your hands and not with your seat first) then this is will cause him to lose his stop and blow through the bit.
He rains pretty good but the stopping is hard.Sometimes he does well most of the time its hard.
This brings me to believe that your using your hands way too much. Take some lessons or get some riding material to help you learn how to use your seat and legs over your hands.
This is the order in which you ride (for going and stopping and everything in between):
1. Your seat
2. Your legs
3. Your hands
If you pull on the reins and play tug of war = you're causing the loss of the stop. You cause him to pull against you. It's natural for him to find a release if you're not providing it and more so, if you're pulling vs. simply taking out the slack and holding that slack out while you drive him into the bit with your legs....
He is young about 5 and a bit hard headed at times.
He's GREEN broke. He's not dead broke. That means, you must raise your skill level to be sure you're not giving him mixed signals.
Make sure you're not using the reins to balance yourself, and that you never pull back on the reins for anything.
I was just wondering if there was anything that would give me better control with him.
A bit will NOT give you control. That's not what bits are for. They are for communication and to teach your horse how to carry himself with a rider (collection).
If you want real control, learn to use your seat, legs and your hands correctly, this is the best control you'll ever have.
If you go with a "bigger" or harsher bit with shanks you will cause more problems to where he may bolt through the bit, buck, rear, etc....because a shank bit will put way more pressure on his entire head (tongue, mouth, jaw, poll) and if you're already heavy handed = disaster.
Don't fall into this amateur trap.
Get some training lessons for yourself to learn how to ride a green broke horse. That's the best advice I can give you.
Leave him in a snaffle (the safest bit you can use for a green horse and a heavy-handed rider)....because when you pick up one one rein only, it also allows you lateral control as well (one rein stop...emergency brake) and access to the hip (the engine, the steering, the stopping control)....if you can control the hip..that's the key. Ride him from back to front not front only (steering the head, stopping the head).
Also..a snaffle bit (no shanks) will put an even amount of pressure in the horse's mouth or outside of it (I do like dee ring snaffles or full cheeks for this reason. I ride one rein at a time with these bits easily and effectively).....a shank bit will put more pressure than what you're really applying with your hands. So, an ounce of pressure is louder to the horse. Imagine how much pressure you exert if you're already heavy handed and using a shank bit? Ouch!
Want to put your stop back on?
ONE REIN STOP
1) go forward
2) roll back on your back pockets without leaning back
3) pick up ONE rein only
4) bend his head around toward your stirrup in a smooth motion
5) same hip (as the rein you're using...left rein/left hip) moves over....meaning, the back feet cross and the front feet stop.
6) horse stops and stays stopped. Release the rein
-only do this at the walk and circle down at the trot and circle down at the lope
If you follow the steps above without skipping anything, you can teach your horse to stop when you roll back on your pockets.
It takes repetitions.
Everynow and then I have a hard time getting him to turn the way I want but not to often and its mainly because he is too interested in whats going on in the other direction..I hope I explained all that well enogh
No. It's because you're not an active rider, you're acting a passenger (again, meant respectfully).
He's telling you that you really don't have any communication going on and you're way too heavy handed.
For turning, apply the same one rein stop steps....but change where you put the release. For the stop....you put it when the horse stops. For a turn...you STEER THE TAIL.....
This is an exaggerated turn:
1) go forward
2) pick up one rein (let's say the left rein), put your left leg on him to drive that left hip over
3) the horse bends his head around to the left and moves that left hip to the right....he's bending his body around your left leg...he's crossing over with that left hind in front of the right hind....he's turning left. Drive him through the turn with both your legs now and release when he turns left.
--change to the right rein, right leg for the turn to the right.
When you stop arguing with his head and steer his tail (move it right to turn left, move it left to turn right...like a rudder on a boat).....then you will be able to turn him with just closing your fingers on one rein and putting your leg on him and he'll turn.