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    12-28-2010, 10:17 AM
Green Broke
You cannot use a wheymouth without a bradoon, it should never be used on its own, it is part of a double set.

Also below certain levels of dressage you Cannot use a double.

Personaly I'd get yourself a far better instructor.
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    12-28-2010, 10:18 AM
    12-28-2010, 09:24 PM
No need to start getting so worked up! NO, by NO MEANS was it a back yard show. Yews, 100% certified, certified judges, rulebook etc. In my area we call a curb bit with twoo rings (snaffle and curb) a PELHAM. Look at the link supplied kindly by Equiniphile in the third post down. The section on approved curb bits. Thank you. You by no means need to start getting rude about my showing of knowledge.
    12-28-2010, 09:32 PM
We have looked at the approved bits, but please clarify. Where in any rulebook do you see a curb bit with a snaffle and a curb rein?
    12-28-2010, 09:42 PM
Green Broke
No, a pelham bit is not approved at all:
Shows exactly what is allowed.
A double is allowed but this is 2 separate bits, the snaffle and curb bits are separate. A pelham where 1 bit has both a snaffle and curb action is NOT legal and you should have been penalised if not eliminated for it.

Still sounds like a back yard show, I've only ever known one show where I could have used a pelham and that was my school horse show where just about anything went, they hired in horses and you rode what you were given in whatever tack it came in (except for those with thier own horses). It was essentialy a back yard show, the aim was to have fun and everybody got a rosette. It was not competative (other then for the house points that were up for grabs)

Sorry but I do believe that you are a young kid with delusions of grandure.

ETA a listed judge does not automaticly mean its a good show. Our school show had a very good listed judge for the dressage but that was because she had a child at the school and volonteered. She had been briefed not to eliminate for tack and clothing etc. Infact I believe she then went on the judge at nationals.
    12-28-2010, 10:04 PM
Originally Posted by faye    
Sorry but I do believe that you are a young kid with delusions of grandure.
Excuse me? Are you honestly speaking to me? Like I said, WE personally refer to ALL curb and/or double bridles as PELHAMS. In this area. You keep your rude opinions about me personally to YOURSELF. You have no right to make personal judgements about me based upon TWO POSTS. A young kid with delusions of grandure? You could not be further from the truth.

AK1 is also here and offended by your rude 'opinions'.
    12-28-2010, 10:06 PM
Green Broke
Hmmmmm, its not just 2 posts though! It is a whole load of posts where quite frankly the information you have given is either blatently wrong or downright dangerous!
    12-28-2010, 10:25 PM
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    12-28-2010, 10:35 PM
Hello there.
I just have a few questions
1.) didnt you state the horse was/is trained to PSG??? When and how long ago and do you have a proven show record of this??
2.) You stated your bringing the horse back into work.....so what was the reason the horse was out? How long was she out of work??
2.) why was your trainer unable to ride and feel the horse and guide you through the issues? Does you trainer ride the horse at all?
3.) does this instructor/trainer have experience with a horse that is trained too this level? If infact the horse truly is.

I ask all the question just because as others have stated maybe it is not even a bit issue. It could be that what your asking is not clear because of rider training issue or it coould be the mare isnt capable at the moment. It isnt really clear what all your actually doing with her as far as a consistent training program to bring her back up to par.

Spyder am I wrong in thinking at PSG a horse is pretty well at a point that it would be comfy going in what it generally uses all the time? Maybe a periodic change for whatever reason?
There are a few horses at my barn at that level and they seem to go in a dbl most the time. Even when one was off for months due to a denta/bone issue that made him very sick he was still put in the dble when brought back to work. The nose band just wasnt tightened down as he had a plug in his jaw.

Do you have any video of you riding the horse? Maybe the HF members can have a better idea of what is really happening. Sometimes a video can really teach us all a lot and show us rather than just ones explanation. The explanation and video together may be a better way for the folks heer to help you!

Just some questions and some food for thought on how others can better help you!
I like the holsteiners so would love to see the horse anyway!


I don't think you know what you are talking about.
    12-28-2010, 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by faye    
hmmmmm, its not just 2 posts though! It is a whole load of posts where quite frankly the information you have given is either blatently wrong or downright dangerous!
Sorry Faye, I didn't see this - I agree.

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