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    04-28-2008, 01:49 PM
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what could have caused this? (long)

I'm asking this mainly because my friend and I can't figure out why this horse acted the way he did.....

My friend (we'll call her "Cindy) brought her favorite horse into the stable and got him all ready to be ridden...she hadn't ridden him in 2-3 weeks due to he got a sore on his withers and someone riding bothered it. So, she dried him off (it was raining), and let him sit in the stall for a while, while she rode another horse. When it was his turn (he's a 17 year old Paint gelding named Murphy...makes it easier to call him by name instead of "him" haha) she tacked him up, and asked who was the last one that rode him, how he behaved, etc.
I told her that a young girl (probably 14 year of age) rode Murphy yesterday...walk, trot, canter, and jumping. He behaved fine...he seemed to have energy, but listened fine. So Cindy asked if she lunged Murphy before she got on him...I said that I did not know if she did or not, but usually he doesn't get lunged.

So Cindy put Murphy's bridle on and brought him into the arena. She had a hard time getting him to stand while she mounted...but that was always his one problem, so she thought nothing of it. So she walked him around and warmed him up...and once he was warmed up she asked for a trot, and trotted him around...doing some bending and circles. Once Murphy seemed to be responding good and listening, she trotted around the whole arena once...and then asked for a canter.

The SECOND she asked for the canter Murphy went into a HUGE bucking fit. I have NEVER seen a horse buck that hard...he seemed determined to get Cindy off. Well, of course, he did get Cindy off and poor Cindy got thrown into a jumping pole (ouch).

Once she said there was nothing broken, and walked out of the arena...I put Sonny back in his stall...untacked Murphy and lunged Murphy around, letting him know he can't get away with bucking.

I lunged him for a good 10 minutes...I was just standing in one place hitting the lunge whip (with a bag at the end) on the floor to get him to go...occasionally walking towards him if he'd stop and wouldn't go). Once he seemed tired enough, I dropped the bag whip and asked him to stop. He stopped fine and I approached him to check to see how tired he was and if he was sweating.
The minute I came close he started quivering...almost like he was a seriously abused horse that trusted no humans. He flinched when I touched his chest to see if he was sweating.

When I brought him back into his stall he kept fighting for his head (I was holding on to his halter and leading him). He trotted into his stall and went to the very back of it and just stared at me.
He was shaking the whole time I put on his flymask and wouldn't lead very well when I was leading him out to the pasture.


Any ideas on why he bucked?
Here's what I know:
1) It was NOT due to pain...his ears were up when he was bucking, and he was showing no signs of soreness.
2) his withers have been completely healed for a good week now...he was cantered yesterday by a young girl and he acted fine.
3) he didn't spook because absolutely nothing scares him
4) he did not trip (I was watching and he didn't)

Any ideas?

There's a picture of Murphy and my friend that was taken today before he started bucking
     
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    04-28-2008, 02:03 PM
  #2
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It could be just that he was in the mood to run and play. Did it seems like he was bucking with aggression or did he seems just to be having fun?

It also could hav been that he was just not in the mood to be worked and he was letter your friend know. I've noticed that once even the best broke horses they have alot more off days and find ways to let you know. Not because they are sore but simply because they've been doing it for so long and they are going to give you attidude.
     
    04-28-2008, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FehrGroundRanch
It could be just that he was in the mood to run and play. Did it seems like he was bucking with aggression or did he seems just to be having fun?

It also could hav been that he was just not in the mood to be worked and he was letter your friend know. I've noticed that once even the best broke horses they have alot more off days and find ways to let you know. Not because they are sore but simply because they've been doing it for so long and they are going to give you attidude.
It seemed to be out of aggression...because my friend totally lost control of him....she flew off shortly after it started...I've been on him when he did a "happy" buck and he didn't go up that high, nor was it a constant thing.

He was perfect for walk and trot though...and Murphy really likes cantering.
None of us...neither me or my friend have seen Murphy act like that. It is totally unlike him. I've ridden him when he was having an off day and wasn't happy at all (ears were back...tail was swishing, etc) but he didn't pull anything...especially not like that.

He didn't throw ANY bucks when I was lunging him...none at all. He galloped around, but no bucks.
     
    04-28-2008, 02:16 PM
  #4
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Was something differnt about the day?

Was something different in the arena?
Was anything differnt about the tack?
Was there a hose that he really doesn't like in the arena?
     
    04-28-2008, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FehrGroundRanch
Was something differnt about the day?

Was something different in the arena?
Was anything differnt about the tack?
Was there a hose that he really doesn't like in the arena?
well it was raining...but the rain was really light at that moment...and I know he's been ridden in worse weather than that

Nope...nothing different in the arena (at least from what I could tell

Nope...same old English dressage saddle...regular english pad...and a foam-ish pad underneath that we use for him sometimes (but he's used to that)

Nope, Murphy seems to like all the horses...Sonny (who was in the arena with him) doesn't like Murphy all the time, but we were waling side-by-side and they were fine.
     
    04-28-2008, 02:31 PM
  #6
Trained
Hmmm....I'm totally stumped then!

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful
     
    04-28-2008, 02:37 PM
  #7
Trained
Is it possible for the saddle, saddle pad, or even Cindy's weight shifted before going into the canter?

If he had trama to his withers, maybe something put more pressure on it and he was bucking to get it off?

That's really the only thing I could think of since everything else seemed to be the same.
     
    04-28-2008, 02:56 PM
  #8
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Originally Posted by appylover31803
Is it possible for the saddle, saddle pad, or even Cindy's weight shifted before going into the canter?

If he had trama to his withers, maybe something put more pressure on it and he was bucking to get it off?

That's really the only thing I could think of since everything else seemed to be the same.
she didn't appear off-balanced at all (I was on the ground taking pictures...didn't get any of the bucking...once I saw that Murphy was doing I dropped my camera and rushed over).

I don't think so due to he was ridden last week with no problems at all...infact he was an angel.
     
    04-28-2008, 03:14 PM
  #9
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Being an equine massage therapist I can tell you that if there was damage to his withers that a week will not heal it all up. Even if he was fine the last time he was ridden, the saddle may have irritated the injury and with the added weight of a rider it got to be too much and he started bucking. Which would make sense why he would not buck while being lunged. Is the saddle downhill in posture when sitting on his back, with and without a pad?

I could think of a bunch of things that could have "set the mood" wrong prior to her getting on.......but seeing as I wasn't there I'm not sure how much help I could be.
     
    04-28-2008, 03:16 PM
  #10
Trained
We call these things "mood farts"

You really won't know untill someone tries to ride him again. Seems you have ruled out the obvious. Go into detective mode and try to ride him again paying special attention to what happens right before the canter. Good luck!
     

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