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        04-28-2008, 06:00 PM
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    What is the super tight martingale and harsh bit for?
         
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        04-28-2008, 06:12 PM
      #12
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    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
    What is the super tight martingale and harsh bit for?
    The martingal (or training fork as what we call it at the barn) isn't that tight...it's elastic anyways
    As for the bit...that's his favorite bit...don't ask me why he likes it, but he does haha

    It's been more than a week since the withers have healed...it's been 2 weeks or so...but he wasn't ridden for a good week or so afterwards to give the withers a chance to heal really well. Also, the one lady that originally rides him is heavier than my friend, so it's defiantely not her weight...
    And the saddle was fine...it wasn't downhill on him without the pad, nor did it appear to be pinching him at all.

    Well the thing was that the minute she cued him for a canter (she said "canter"...he knows what walk, trot, canter, hoe, etc means) he started bucking...once she was off, he cantered around then went to the opposite side of the arena.

    If it was a pain issue he'd be showing signs at a walk and trot...correct? His ears were either errect or in listening position...not in a "ouch" way...his tail wasn't swishing around, nor was he acting up before the buck

    I'm going to put him in the arena and lunge him on Thursday, then put a western saddle on him and do some work with him.
         
        04-28-2008, 06:32 PM
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    Originally Posted by SonnyWimps
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
    What is the super tight martingale and harsh bit for?
    The martingal (or training fork as what we call it at the barn) isn't that tight...it's elastic anyways
    As for the bit...that's his favorite bit...don't ask me why he likes it, but he does haha

    It's been more than a week since the withers have healed...it's been 2 weeks or so...but he wasn't ridden for a good week or so afterwards to give the withers a chance to heal really well. Also, the one lady that originally rides him is heavier than my friend, so it's defiantely not her weight...
    And the saddle was fine...it wasn't downhill on him without the pad, nor did it appear to be pinching him at all.

    Well the thing was that the minute she cued him for a canter (she said "canter"...he knows what walk, trot, canter, hoe, etc means) he started bucking...once she was off, he cantered around then went to the opposite side of the arena.

    If it was a pain issue he'd be showing signs at a walk and trot...correct? His ears were either errect or in listening position...not in a "ouch" way...his tail wasn't swishing around, nor was he acting up before the buck

    I'm going to put him in the arena and lunge him on Thursday, then put a western saddle on him and do some work with him.
    I'm sorry, but running martingales should not be that short, elstic or not. See how low it's making the reins? That combined with the bit would have made me mad if I was wearing them.
    http://www.frogpool.com/prod-4758.jpg <- not tight.

    Remember that the canter is the only a-symmetrical gait; so even if a horse doesn't appear sore at the walk or trot, it very well could show up at the canter, because that gait singles out imbalances.
         
        04-28-2008, 06:37 PM
      #14
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    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SonnyWimps
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
    What is the super tight martingale and harsh bit for?
    The martingal (or training fork as what we call it at the barn) isn't that tight...it's elastic anyways
    As for the bit...that's his favorite bit...don't ask me why he likes it, but he does haha

    It's been more than a week since the withers have healed...it's been 2 weeks or so...but he wasn't ridden for a good week or so afterwards to give the withers a chance to heal really well. Also, the one lady that originally rides him is heavier than my friend, so it's defiantely not her weight...
    And the saddle was fine...it wasn't downhill on him without the pad, nor did it appear to be pinching him at all.

    Well the thing was that the minute she cued him for a canter (she said "canter"...he knows what walk, trot, canter, hoe, etc means) he started bucking...once she was off, he cantered around then went to the opposite side of the arena.

    If it was a pain issue he'd be showing signs at a walk and trot...correct? His ears were either errect or in listening position...not in a "ouch" way...his tail wasn't swishing around, nor was he acting up before the buck

    I'm going to put him in the arena and lunge him on Thursday, then put a western saddle on him and do some work with him.
    I'm sorry, but running martingales should not be that short, elstic or not. See how low it's making the reins? That combined with the bit would have made me mad if I was wearing them.
    http://www.frogpool.com/prod-4758.jpg <- not tight.

    Remember that the canter is the only a-symmetrical gait; so even if a horse doesn't appear sore at the walk or trot, it very well could show up at the canter, because that gait singles out imbalances.
    it's not a running martingale though
    It's this:


    Unless I don't exactly know what a running martingale is...but I believe they are two different things
         
        04-28-2008, 06:40 PM
      #15
    Showing
    Okay I'll stop sticking my nose where it doesn't belong then. It just looks very tight and the horse doesn't look happy about it - but that's just my instinct.
         
        04-28-2008, 07:13 PM
      #16
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    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
    okay I'll stop sticking my nose where it doesn't belong then. It just looks very tight and the horse doesn't look happy about it - but that's just my instinct.
    no you're fine
    I know she was half halting alot to try to get a slow paced walk and trot...but Murphy has always had a fast paced everything, so that isn't out of the ordinary for him

    You are just trying to help JDI and I appreciate it. I'm as much confused as you are.

    Could it maybe be a mental problem? He was acting opposite of what he normally would be. I was afraid to even go in a stall with him after that happened because he would try to push me out or pin me to a wall.

    What's the possibility of a otherwise health 17 year old gelding getting a mental problem? To me it would seem rare...but I can't figure out any other reason for him to act like that
         
        04-28-2008, 07:26 PM
      #17
    Foal
    This is what I would say, without a doubt-

    He hasn't been ridden much, he bucked out of fun and energy, and was instantly rewarded by having his rider off and not getting back on. It wouldn't doesn't matter if you lounged him for 6 hours afterward, <u>he bucked someone off, and they stayed off</u>.

    He tested his position in the herd (whether he was leader or follower in the two-member herd of him and his rider) and found out that he was no longer the submissive one. Now he's losing his manners (fighting for his head/not leading well) because he thinks he's the boss.
         
        04-28-2008, 07:33 PM
      #18
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    Well she definitely could not get back on him...she could barely walk afterwards... I was thinking of lunging him around, and then putting a western saddle on him and showing him who's boss, but I thought it would be best that she got home.

    I'll definitely work with him on Thursday to make sure he knows that he can't get away with that.
    But he didn't appear to have that much more energy then he usually did...
    But also he was ridden yesterday by a young girl who cantered him, etc and he was perfectly fine

    Could he have gained that much more energy just over night?
         
        04-29-2008, 09:05 AM
      #19
    Started
    This is certainly not a mental issue. And really, putting him on a lunge line days after the incident will not prove anything to the horse. And "showing him who's boss" won't do anything. You can't say to him, "Now Murphy, I'm going to lunge you a lot b/c you bucked my friend off!" He won't know what's going on.

    It's still possible your friend accidently did something to cause him to buck. Whether it wasn't enough ground work before hand (using obstacles and being imaginative), whether she missed some behavior prior to her getting on that would have indicated he wasn't okay with something, or maybe her body position altered some to agitate him......who knows.

    And JDI is right.......if he was sore somewhere it wouldn't necessarily show up at the walk and trot. When I was trying to find a saddle that fit my horse several years ago he would be fine at w/t but as soon as I asked him to canter he would crow hop, pin his ears and swish his tail. So I knew the canter was the gait that was going to tell me if he thought the saddle felt okay or not.
         
        04-29-2008, 10:53 PM
      #20
    Foal
    [quote="I was thinking of lunging him around, and then putting a western saddle on him and showing him who's boss, but I thought it would be best that she got home.

    I'll definitely work with him on Thursday to make sure he knows that he can't get away with that.[/quote]

    When he bucked her off, nobody got back on him. It didn't have to be her, it could have been you or anyone else that could handle him. If you had gotten on him after you lunged him it would've been the same as not getting on at all, it has to be immediate or the horse does not associate it whatsoever with the bucking.

    And (like Spirithorse says) working with him on Thursday is just fine, but to him there will be absolutely no connection between Thursdays work and his previous bucking.
         

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