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post #11 of 22 Old 07-21-2008, 11:49 PM
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Don't waste your money on any of the above. What they teach is basic horse handling you will learn on your own by simply spending time with you horse..
My2geldings! That really surprises me coming from you. With no previous knowledge of horsemanship, trying to learn on your own is like trying to reinvent the wheel.

Anyway, all the above trainers, and others like John Lyons, Mary Twelve Ponies, and Monte Robers, just to name a few more, have something to teach you but how it applies to you depends on what you are trying to accomplish. All the trainers in the world can't help you if you don't understand how a horse's mind works and how to read his body language. All you will get from them is a mechanical understanding but not the root of their teaching.

My2geldings is right in that you need to understand your horse and that comes from time and experience watching them and how they interact with each other and their human partners.

You most certainly should read all those clinicians but I found that understanding them takes time. After a lifetime around horses I get a kick out of something that I reread and the little lightbulb in my brain clicks on.
What I said is true tho! It's a business to them nothing else . These programs are overated.They take advantage of unknowledgeable new horse owners by selling and taking credit for things that have been used for centuries.

Keeping this friendly while trying to explain my first post.
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post #12 of 22 Old 07-22-2008, 07:19 AM
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What I said is true tho! It's a business to them nothing else . These programs are overated.They take advantage of unknowledgeable new horse owners by selling and taking credit for things that have been used for centuries.

Keeping this friendly while trying to explain my first post.
Well I do agree with that part. The clinicians have become very commercialized. I have never attended a clinic or purchased their overpriced equipment with the silly names that they give them but I have read many of their books and RFD TV has some great shows. Furthermore their methods are sound.

A new horseperson needs a track to run on and they give them that. Members of this and other forums come here asking for help or giving advise. That is no different then what the clinicians are doing except they are being paid to do it. We don't learn by ourselves, we need a guide - it is too easy to get on the wrong track with a horse if we don't know how they are supposed to react. Ignorance is overcome by education. Can we learn without school? Certainly, Then why do we need it? Same answer as why the Monte Roberts' of the world are an important tool. They can give us focus, direction and sequence.

Anyway, that is my take on it. I'm pretty much self taught and I've made a lot of mistakes that could have been avoided if I had been exposed to the clinicians earlier.

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post #13 of 22 Old 07-22-2008, 10:51 AM
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What I said is true tho! It's a business to them nothing else . These programs are overated.They take advantage of unknowledgeable new horse owners by selling and taking credit for things that have been used for centuries.

Keeping this friendly while trying to explain my first post.
Well I do agree with that part. The clinicians have become very commercialized. I have never attended a clinic or purchased their overpriced equipment with the silly names that they give them but I have read many of their books and RFD TV has some great shows. Furthermore their methods are sound.

A new horseperson needs a track to run on and they give them that. Members of this and other forums come here asking for help or giving advise. That is no different then what the clinicians are doing except they are being paid to do it. We don't learn by ourselves, we need a guide - it is too easy to get on the wrong track with a horse if we don't know how they are supposed to react. Ignorance is overcome by education. Can we learn without school? Certainly, Then why do we need it? Same answer as why the Monte Roberts' of the world are an important tool. They can give us focus, direction and sequence.

Anyway, that is my take on it. I'm pretty much self taught and I've made a lot of mistakes that could have been avoided if I had been exposed to the clinicians earlier.
I also agree in part with what you have posted but what about the option of spending quality time with knowledgeable horse trainers near her?

Fledge, would you have the option to spend time with a close friend of yours who knows how to handle more problematic horses, perhaps you trainer even. You will be surprised at the large mount of knowledge you will learn without spending your kid's college funds.
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post #14 of 22 Old 07-22-2008, 12:05 PM
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I am going to butt in here-i watch all the rfd equine shows-most of these guys are money making machines. There are great horsemen and horsewomen out there, there are also a bunch of folks using our love for horses to make a quick buck and some of them lots of bucks. I suggest reading books-get a variety of ideas and watch people lots of people. Some ideas are sound some are not and when they are all mixed in -within one training program selling you training for "the perfect horse"an inexperienced person is probebly going to take the whole thing for gospel, loose a ton of money and have a problem horse on their hands. It takes hands on experience over years as well as good common sence to become a true horseperson, we all need help at some point from a pro but I feel these trainers and their programs are once again money making machines.
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I forgot to agree with iridehorses in we all need a guide true, just wish the guides didnt charge an arm and a leg
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I also am pretty much self taught and completely agree that the best way to learn is by spending time with your horse. If you have two horses watch how they interact with each other. When I was a kid not only did we not have dvd training packages etc etc natural horsemanship was barely heard of. I had to figure it out for myself and so many many other people. The main thing you need to know is safety and once again you don't need to pay $$$$$ to learn it

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I take a combination of all of the above and add my own spices to cook up my own method. There is no one dumber than Parelli, so these folks are ok in my opinion.
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[quote="My2Geldings"][quote="iridehorses"]
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What I said is true tho! It's a business to them nothing else . These programs are overated.They take advantage of unknowledgeable new horse owners by selling and taking credit for things that have been used for centuries.

Keeping this friendly while trying to explain my first post.
Well I do agree with that part. The clinicians have become very commercialized. I have never attended a clinic or purchased their overpriced equipment with the silly names that they give them but I have read many of their books and RFD TV has some great shows. Furthermore their methods are sound.

A new horseperson needs a track to run on and they give them that. Members of this and other forums come here asking for help or giving advise. That is no different then what the clinicians are doing except they are being paid to do it. We don't learn by ourselves, we need a guide - it is too easy to get on the wrong track with a horse if we don't know how they are supposed to react. Ignorance is overcome by education. Can we learn without school? Certainly, Then why do we need it? Same answer as why the Monte Roberts' of the world are an important tool. They can give us focus, direction and sequence.

Anyway, that is my take on it. I'm pretty much self taught and I've made a lot of mistakes that could have been avoided if I had been exposed to the clinicians earlier.
I also agree in part with what you have posted but what about the option of spending quality time with knowledgeable horse trainers near her?

Fledge, would you have the option to spend time with a close friend of yours who knows how to handle more problematic horses, perhaps you trainer even. You will be surprised at the large mount of knowledge you will learn without spending your kid's college funds.
I've worked with three trainers. The first two kinda dropped the ball me, and since my horse's accident last year, I haven't gone back to the third. I would really like to work with my horses on my own, but I realize that one needs a more experienced person as well. And yes, I'd love to learn and not spend my college funds!

I'd agree. I realized that some of the stuff that "the trainers" were teaching were stuff that I'd been already doing but hadn't realized that I was using the same principles.

But I also learned that sometimes you can't mix trainer's lessons. I confused my poor gelding by mixing and matching. Thankfully I realized it before I did any damage. So, I guess that's how I learn, just experience. :)

So, how did you guys teach yourselves? Videocamera? Trainers? Books?

And yes, I'd agree again, I do get annoyed with how the trainers try to advertise themselves.
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post #19 of 22 Old 07-23-2008, 08:26 PM
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I learned most of what I know from my Grandpa. I read every piece of literature I could on horses and picked and chose which worked for me.

So, you can mix and match, but you need to make sure you understand what you are doing before you apply it to the horse. If you are not sure, you'll definitely send mixed messages.
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I thought I knew what I was doing when we purchased our horses. Turns out I needed direction to go along with what I thought I knew. I have been able to follow John Lyons really easily. He makes sence to me. I have attended a clinic and although he has products available he didn't push them. He was there to teach. He made sure that we (the audience) understood what he was saying. I have bought 2 books of his. ($30total) They have helped tremendously. I don't have a good trainer available to me or affordable at the moment either. I would recommend John Lyons but I feel you have to find a clinician that makes sence to you. I think that a lot of horsemanship is common sence and a basic understanding of the animal.

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