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post #11 of 21 Old 10-27-2008, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dumas'_Grrrl View Post
The "TAP" is a tool and should be respected as any tool should be. Done correctly it is not damaging IMO.
I agree Amy. And this is something that if you're thinking about doing, GET A PROFESSIONAL! I would not want to even try attempting this by myself.
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way off topic but... Endospink is the guys name? It just cracks me up!!! LOL....

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way off topic but... Endospink is the guys name? It just cracks me up!!! LOL....
No he is a transplanted Aussie ( to Japan) called Paul Williams.
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I don't agree with his methods at all but that may just be me. If they work for him then power to him but my dad has been training horses for 40 years and many of them were horses with problems or were just downright dangerous and he never made a horse lay down to gain submission. There are some people who believe in this method completely and that is fine, but I don't agree with it. If you teach a horse to lay down of his own free will, that is cool but I just don't agree with his methods. I am going to have a Percheron colt next spring and plan on riding him when he is older so I am going to try to teach him to lay down on command so that I will be able to get on him. There are better methods than this to teach a horse respect.
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I don't get the point of it.
The horse is just put down by applying so much pain it get's enough endorphins to be completely drugged. Like a deer hit by a car, but surviving the crash. It just lies there for a while.
Question is if the horse even can notice or learn anything when it's that drugged down by endorphins like that. How much of the pain remains when the endorphins wear off?
I don't like it at all, maybe, perhaps as a last try on a very problematic horse. But I still think most problems will be solved with patience and corrections in the right time.

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Horse Whisperer?

This kinda reminds me of the novel, The Horse Whisperer and the movie that they made off of it...Robert Redford did smiliar things to the horse to get it to "lie down", using that training method. hmmmm I wonder if it is the same thing/similar idea...

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post #18 of 21 Old 11-06-2008, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Curly_Horse_CMT View Post
This kinda reminds me of the novel, The Horse Whisperer and the movie that they made off of it...Robert Redford did smiliar things to the horse to get it to "lie down", using that training method. hmmmm I wonder if it is the same thing/similar idea...
I have seen the Horse Whisperer and the "tap" method. The Horse whisperer method used force through ropes. I believe he tied a leg up. This is old style western to get wild mustangs subdued....and there is considerable pain and fear involved.

The tap method does not use ropes. I see no pain involved at all, nor do I see any horse all doped up on endorphines. I have seen MANY videos including one taped live demonstration in the trainers challenge held just a few months ago here in North American and believe me, no one was in pain or doped. So I would like to remind people that in Japan the horse MUST be ready to raced ASAP or it is put in a can....period. Taking your time is not an option. Someone has found a method to reduce the time and in a roundabout way save the horse.
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I think it's kinda pointless, but that's just me. :) If done correctly, I think it's OK- but if not & you're forcing the horse down I don't agree with it.

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I have followed Paul's methods very carefully and he has personally advised me on problems with my OTTB. He has never 'forced' a horse down to the ground (without tying up a leg, it is pretty hard for a 5 foot 'nothing' guy to 'throw' a 600kg horse on the ground - you try it!) Nor is the horse drugged. The endorphins RELAX the horse, it is NEVER in pain and there are no bad effects during or after. It is just controversial because people don't understand what they are seeing.
His methods have completely saved my own horse, quickly and effectively... plus I am much, much safer. All I did was 'half tap' my horse twice to achieve a completely new horse who had a plethora of problems.
Having had the priviledge of his personal advice (he even called me from Japan once), I have absolute respect for ALL his methods, which is not only The Tap, but he is truely talented in all areas of training and his Love and Dedication to horses is transparent. He often gets people's back's up because his sense of humour makes 'quips' at natural horsemanship. He lives in a different world with the pressure to produce colts for racing on the track.
But without ranting on, the question is about "The TAP", and I know for a fact it can be a very very effective method.
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