Originally Posted by Joe4d |
When you give a horse food, he thinks he just punked you and took it away from you. Yes you can establish dominance and then give treats, but nothing sends a bigger message of leadership to a horse faster than making him wait until you are done eating. ....
I see nothing you can do with a clicker I can't do with a couple simple voice commands. ... So I am supposed to train my horse to stand with a click, then phase it out to use something else ? Sounds kinda dumb, why not train him to stand when I say "STAND" from the getgo
Re the second part above, a clicker(or whatever 'bridging signal' you choose to use) is not the cue & doesn't replace a cue. So you would indeed use a cue like stand 'from the get go'. A 'bridging signal' is just something that means "Yes! What you did right then earned you a reward". It's helpful IMO because it 'buys time' between behaviour & reward, as animals learn from instant consequences & find it hard or impossible to relate abstract ideas such as 'this is a reward for what you did before'.
Re what's the point in doing something that you're going to phase out, think about however you reinforce a horse - when you teach something, you may praise(actually a b/s not a reward), give a scratch, negatively reinforce a cue by applying/removing pressure, but you don't keep on doing all that after the horse has learned - eg. You don't praise/reward every little step of a back up, you don't teach the horse to respond to a seat cue & continue to back it up with reinforcement from leg & rein when he's already responding to the seat cue.
We may never win this argument because we're in a room full of women, but you're right. I don't care what they say.
Each to his own, IMO. I'm just wanting to explain my perspective of where I see opinions based on misunderstandings about the principles.