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View Poll Results: Do you recommend clicker training?
Yes 22 48.89%
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    07-12-2012, 04:02 PM
  #31
Yearling
Originally Posted by Joe4d
"When you give a horse food, he thinks he just punked you and took it away from you. Yes you can establish dominance and then give treats, but nothing sends a bigger message of leadership to a horse faster than making him wait until you are done eating. ...."

Doesn't a herd leader take the herd to the best places to eat? Aren't the other horses trading obedience to her commands for food as well as safety?
     
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    07-12-2012, 06:14 PM
  #32
Banned
Yipes!! This got long! LOL

For the record, I'm a FEMALE ;)

I think what has bothered me most about this conversation is folks assuming those who don't use or like clicker training are obviously using some old time beating horse with a stick method to get their training done.

I don't see any of that in the responses from those who don't use C/T. What I see is folks saying is "why add that step when you don't have to?" Okay you have a little device that makes a funny noise when you push it. Well my own voice can do that. Be it a "kiss" sound, a funny noise ... and one I used to use a lot is a snap of my fingers. Their is tone of voice, posture, mannerisms. All of these things can be used to achieve the very same goal as this added extra device that makes noise.

Some people like that little thing that makes the noise and that's okay and if it works for you that's great! Others, like myself, prefer a different way that doesn't entail another mechanism I have to hold or another step I have to take to get the same end result.

Now I may have been out of horses for a little over 25 years but I do remember MANY things about teaching from the ground up, youngsters to oldsters. Am also very rusty in other areas that I'm sure when hubby and I get our two I will have to relearn and re-remember.

Whatever methods work for an individual work and that shouldn't be ignored new OR old.
     
    07-12-2012, 07:21 PM
  #33
Yearling
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Originally Posted by EvilHorseOfDoom    
Oi, I'm a woman and I agree with Joe4d!

Then again I do have a beard...
Pics please
     
    07-12-2012, 07:44 PM
  #34
Trained
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Originally Posted by BBBCrone    
I think what has bothered me most about this conversation is folks assuming those who don't use or like clicker training are obviously using some old time beating horse with a stick method to get their training done.
Have they?? I haven't seen any of that actually. Please point it out? ...& we'll deal with those in our own way

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I don't see any of that in the responses from those who don't use C/T. What I see is folks saying is "why add that step when you don't have to?"
While people have certainly said why bother, what bothers me most about the critics are the comments such as if you use clicker training you're wrong, you don't know what you're doing, you're creating a 'disrespectful' horse & food treats are wrong & food treats cause nipping.... or it's a woman thing... yada.

IMO, it's an 'each to his own thing' but what bothers me most is the loudest knockers don't seem to understand what it is they're knocking. I personally was just trying to explain some of the misconceptions.

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What I see is folks saying is "why add that step when you don't have to?" Okay you have a little device that makes a funny noise when you push it. Well my own voice can do that. Be it a "kiss" sound, a funny noise ...
Actually I hazard a guess that most of us 'wierdos' don't get hung up about a plastic noisemaker & just use our voice or such as a 'marker'.
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    07-12-2012, 07:51 PM
  #35
Banned
I wish there was a 'maybe' option to this poll. So I didn't vote.

Me personally, if I was going to China and wanted to communicate with the people there, I'd learn Chinese. Same idea with a horse, I think I'd rather speak in his language and mimic how other horses interact.

Can it be useful? Yeah I guess so, but I think l prefer 'horse'.
     
    07-12-2012, 07:53 PM
  #36
Trained
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Originally Posted by tiffanyodonnell    
Since I work in a high school, you Know I wish CT worked with them!
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Interesting you should say that because it is used with people - again, talking principles, not getting hung up on the type of marker. I don't know how much it's strictly used with older kids(& IMO kids & husbands are the hardest species to train!), but it's definitely been used with younger kids & also with mentally impaired people. I've also heard human practitioners saying 'Of course it works with people, but it seems rediculous that people think it would work on dogs... horses, etc' Guess it comes down to experience.
     
    07-12-2012, 08:09 PM
  #37
Banned
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Originally Posted by loosie    
Have they?? I haven't seen any of that actually. Please point it out? ...& we'll deal with those in our own way
Actually hon, I re-read the "offending" post and even though it still gives me pause, I might be taking the wording the wrong way. Unfortunately I can't edit my post so I'll just state here I believe I might have misinterpreted it.

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While people have certainly said why bother, what bothers me most about the critics are the comments such as if you use clicker training you're wrong, you don't know what you're doing, you're creating a 'disrespectful' horse & food treats are wrong & food treats cause nipping.... or it's a woman thing... yada.
Yep, I can understand that. Nothing is ever wrong I don't think (I of course stop at beating into submission and other forms of abuse that are not ever necessary). There are uses for all types of training and mixing and matching to match your horses needs and unique personality should all be taken into consideration.

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IMO, it's an 'each to his own thing' but what bothers me most is the loudest knockers don't seem to understand what it is they're knocking. I personally was just trying to explain some of the misconceptions.
Can definitely understand your point here.

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Actually I hazard a guess that most of us 'wierdos' don't get hung up about a plastic noisemaker & just use our voice or such as a 'marker'.
BAHAHA! That made me chuckle. I'm about as "weird" as one can get ;). When I was teaching my dogs new things I'd get so excited for them when they "got it" I'd jump around acting like an idiot. I made my own noise maker ;) Of course they thought I was a complete fool. Now they do stuff just to watch me look crazy!
     
    07-12-2012, 08:24 PM
  #38
Trained
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Originally Posted by BBBCrone    
Of course they thought I was a complete fool. Now they do stuff just to watch me look crazy!
Ha ha! Glad I'm not the only one who's animals have trained me to do silly things!
     
    07-13-2012, 01:42 AM
  #39
Foal
I noticed that people said that ct training wastes time. And it might be true, but sometimes it's okay to waste time with your horse. Most of us aren't pro trainers and never will be. And spending time out of my busy schedule with my horses... Trying to get them to use their brain in a new and fun way? I don't see that as a waste of time. If you're both having fun and learning it's time very well spent in my book.

It's nice to take a break from routine and try something different. If it works then awesome and if not, well, no harm done.
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    07-13-2012, 05:29 AM
  #40
Foal
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Originally Posted by corymbia    
Without wanting to be overly disrespectful this is a load of tosh. It is extremely easy to use clicker training to teach the horse to wait quietly for the treat. Like any training method, if the timing of the reward is incorrect, the wrong response will get rewarded and in the case of clicker training the pushiness is what can result. So its not the horse's fault and it has nothing to do with respect, simply poor timing on behalf of the trainer.
Agreed. It is just like teaching a dog not to jump at you for the treat, or shoving its nose in your bait bag (if you are short, or the dog is tall enough to reach).

You just work on a behavior that is contrary to the one you don't want. Like teaching the dog to sit, it is not going to be jumping at you. With a horse you can teach them to back up, or turn their head away, or anything else that gets them out of your space.

Honestly I'd say aside from teaching them what the click means, it is one of the first things you'd train any animal when working with a clicker.
     

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